tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post1125470459611781187..comments2024-03-17T11:10:04.872-07:00Comments on Grateful Dead Guide: How Keith JoinedLight Into Asheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-24948870897548951122022-05-19T03:21:56.528-07:002022-05-19T03:21:56.528-07:00This remains a small mystery....how Keith was used...This remains a small mystery....how Keith was used on the James & the Good Brother album, and whether Jerry remembered that connection when Donna approached him. Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-73500691630896171182022-05-16T10:59:07.230-07:002022-05-16T10:59:07.230-07:00FYI - From Betty Cantor-Jackon's Reddit Ask Me...FYI - From Betty Cantor-Jackon's Reddit Ask Me Anything session from May 2020 writing about the July 1971 sessions for Jerry's solo album: "That was fun. We did that at Wally Hiders (sic) in San Francisco....That's when I told Jerry about Keith. I'd used him on an album with a Canadian group I'd done, James and the Good Brothers..." <br /><br />https://Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-63997622211370036392021-11-03T00:57:13.398-07:002021-11-03T00:57:13.398-07:00Relix Records released part of the show on a coupl...Relix Records released part of the show on a couple of CDs, "The Heart of Gold Band" and "Double Dose." Otherwise I couldn't find it online except for one track, Lonesome & a Long Way From Home: <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiPStOKRpg0 <br />See also: <br />http://hooterollin.blogspot.com/2014/04/march-17-1980-masonic-hall-seattle-wa.html Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-13909370613119093112021-11-02T04:56:58.275-07:002021-11-02T04:56:58.275-07:00Where can I find a copy of the 7/10/80 show?Where can I find a copy of the 7/10/80 show?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17422434373446016048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-34569723062786034322021-09-16T15:03:55.541-07:002021-09-16T15:03:55.541-07:00...and the story is finally out. Keith did play wi......and the story is finally out. Keith did play with Dave Mason, briefly, in a 1971 audition trying out to join Mason's band. It did not go well, and Keith was rejected. <br />More details in the Deadcast: <br />https://www.dead.net/deadcast/enter-keith-godchaux (about 39 minutes in) Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-30747363839585010212017-10-04T15:33:14.361-07:002017-10-04T15:33:14.361-07:00As the 11/19/13 comment notes above, Rolling Stone...As the 11/19/13 comment notes above, Rolling Stone was the first to report that Keith had played with Dave Mason, and apparently everybody else has picked it up from that. <br /><br />But it is a little hard to believe - not only is it not mentioned in any other contemporary source that I've seen, it seems to be contradicted by Keith himself when he said things like, "I wasn't Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-10569014171810425412017-10-02T22:51:06.181-07:002017-10-02T22:51:06.181-07:00I think the Dave Mason line might have come from K...I think the Dave Mason line might have come from Keith playing with a local guy that had the same name, perhaps? I have never seen anything in any of Dave Mason (the Traffic player)'s liner notes mentioning Keith, anywhere. It sure seems like something that needs to be cleared up. Maybe the same-name thing was something that hooked the people in the GD office and it leaked into the publicity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-9443555630459883712015-04-19T05:52:11.740-07:002015-04-19T05:52:11.740-07:00I agree, a really good musician with a really good...I agree, a really good musician with a really good ear can jump in on pretty much any song and catch the changes pretty easily. Especially if they're schooled in jazz and have good sense of groove like Keith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-83004346232793657602013-12-24T21:25:41.403-08:002013-12-24T21:25:41.403-08:00"This suggests that at the least, there were ..."This suggests that at the least, there were more than one or two days of rehearsal before these tapes were made."<br /><br />Perhaps, but I don't think so. Keith was one of those rare musicians who just got it. He also seemed to have some predestined mentality that, combined with his experience in jazz, led him to be able to fall into place seamlessly. My personal belief is that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-29154164684131962092013-11-20T21:58:30.050-08:002013-11-20T21:58:30.050-08:00From "Random Notes" in the 12/23/71 Roll...From "Random Notes" in the 12/23/71 Rolling Stone: <br /><br />"The Grateful Dead have a new member. He's Keith Godchaux, who has played with Dave Mason in the past. Keith will play organ and piano. When Pigpen returns to the group, he will concentrate more on vocals than he had in the past. <br />The New Riders of the Purple Sage have also replaced a member, this one being Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-11200731199668334472013-11-19T00:43:28.716-08:002013-11-19T00:43:28.716-08:00I missed an important detail!
In a newspaper rev...I missed an important detail! <br /><br />In a newspaper review of the 11/7/71 show, Keith is mentioned as "formerly with Dave Mason." This bit of info appears on various reference sites, but it's the first contemporary proof I've seen. I don't know any other details, but apparently sometime in 1971, Keith was playing with Dave Mason's group. <br />What's odd about Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-52485403471916340022013-02-13T13:35:36.236-08:002013-02-13T13:35:36.236-08:00I am listening to the Houseboat Tapes, and I agree...I am listening to the Houseboat Tapes, and I agree with the thought that Keith actually never opened the box and played them. He would of course not Refuse them from Garcia, he would be too shy and that also would not look too good if you are auditioning to perform, However, Keith would also be too proud and stubborn to actually even to need to listen to them. He was a consummate musician and Capt. Cooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-4218916873910556842012-09-28T22:47:02.304-07:002012-09-28T22:47:02.304-07:00In listening to Paris 72 right now and all I can t...In listening to Paris 72 right now and all I can think is, that pigpen solo album was gonna be real nice. Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17383908970221830651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-47143826106863799522012-09-15T00:20:40.149-07:002012-09-15T00:20:40.149-07:00Yes, he nails Brokedown. There may be more clues o...Yes, he nails Brokedown. There may be more clues on the tapes, but my feeling was that these tapes were made after some extensive rehearsals, not just a few days.<br /><br />Another sidenote: the live album was released on 9/24/71. So some of the Dead's time that week may have been taken up with Warners promo discussions. <br /><br />It is rare that we get a peek at a Dead song in lyrical Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-2373116580246195652012-09-12T22:23:40.538-07:002012-09-12T22:23:40.538-07:00I finally got around to listen to the Sept 29 sess...I finally got around to listen to the Sept 29 session. It made me appreciate your post even more. When Keith is on organ, it's obvious that he's familiar with the songs, but it's hard to tell just how familiar because of how foreign the sound is (i.e., Keith playing organ on these songs). When Keith finally plays piano (on Brokedown Palace), the results are spectacular! Wow! It would Grateful Diverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545105485550801064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-74381356208114654102012-09-10T00:46:44.978-07:002012-09-10T00:46:44.978-07:00...the people have spoken! & the comments are ......the people have spoken! & the comments are up.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-55996389895936436572012-09-09T15:28:04.164-07:002012-09-09T15:28:04.164-07:00Nevertheless, I vote for recent comments in the ri...Nevertheless, I vote for recent comments in the right margin. I miss too many comments in the current setup sine the posts are generally long and it means I have to scroll down to the end to see if anyone has added to the discussion. A small beef for a fine blog.DLeopoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12539597705353359882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-84621720151759037592012-09-06T12:53:28.340-07:002012-09-06T12:53:28.340-07:00I'll give it a try. I'm afraid good commen...I'll give it a try. I'm afraid good comment action is usually limited to the newest post, though. Comments on older posts tend to be pretty inane. I almost never get informative LLD-type comments! (In fact, most of the comments are from me. It's a very self-reflective blog that way...)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-36815516328765173522012-09-06T10:52:32.803-07:002012-09-06T10:52:32.803-07:00Another great blog post and more great info in the...Another great blog post and more great info in the comments...which segues perfectly into a small request that I have. I'd like it if this blog would have previews of the last six (or however many) comments on the blog, like on the Lost Live Dead blog. Some of the best reading on LLD comes from people who found the place on accident and left comments about a show or venue that they attendedJeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07231522886424791492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-63445045651634968852012-09-06T04:06:31.119-07:002012-09-06T04:06:31.119-07:00Good sleuthing...
At one point Garcia says the Ne...Good sleuthing... <br />At one point Garcia says the New Riders are looking for a new pedal steel player, so I assume the last interview was October at the latest, before the fall tour. (Cage started playing for them in November.) That would match up with mentioning an October C&N concert, and talking about the new records. So these are some pretty specific interview dates we've found! <Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-88734607416177143342012-09-05T16:42:44.803-07:002012-09-05T16:42:44.803-07:00I've been meaning to date those Reich/Wenner i...I've been meaning to date those Reich/Wenner interviews for ages but never got round to finalising them. This is as far as I got.<br /><br />Wenner's foreword p 12 contains <br />"In July, Reich was at our offices raring to go... <br />The next Saturday, I met Charles... <br />Jerry had to be in Berkeley at 7:00 for a gig."<br /><br />So, according to Wenner the first interview Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-77322165027862815912012-09-05T13:23:26.237-07:002012-09-05T13:23:26.237-07:00Wenner writes in the Signpost to New Space forewor...Wenner writes in the Signpost to New Space foreword that Garcia was interviewed in July and "a few months later," and questions from the two periods were mixed together in the final edit.<br />This causes some strange results - for instance in one place they discuss the released live album & Hooteroll (which came out in Sept '71), and in-between Garcia talks about how he's Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-52962595824925604612012-09-05T11:15:43.146-07:002012-09-05T11:15:43.146-07:00For what it's worth, I think the Rolling Stone...For what it's worth, I think the Rolling Stone interview was mostly conducted pre-Keith. I read it faithfully looking for clues as to when it was done (and it doesn't help that it was conducted over at least two sessions), but I do think that it was mostly done in June and/or July (certainly not before the return from France, since Garcia discusses that show). I'd have to read it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-27763298316961083542012-09-05T00:38:00.548-07:002012-09-05T00:38:00.548-07:00A couple final comments for now:
Unfortunately, ...A couple final comments for now: <br /><br />Unfortunately, I don't think Garcia ever mentioned Keith in his long Rolling Stone interview from '71. They ask how Pigpen's doing, but never ask about the new member...a real missed opportunity to hear a first-hand account of how it went. <br /><br />Also, I noted that Keith's rehearsal piano sound is often very tinny, similar to some Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-25087629455618140222012-09-05T00:31:11.487-07:002012-09-05T00:31:11.487-07:00There are a couple other mysteries here too - show...There are a couple other mysteries here too - showing that no matter how many details we "know" about an event, there's still much left unknown! <br /><br />One - how early did the Dead think of getting a new keyboardist? The assumption is that after 9/17, they were suddenly struck with an emergency. But Pigpen had been on the decline for a while; and they'd hired TC in '68 Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com