tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post3725637174809853080..comments2024-03-17T11:10:04.872-07:00Comments on Grateful Dead Guide: Dark Star 1971Light Into Asheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-90276219406589901552020-04-29T20:34:09.605-07:002020-04-29T20:34:09.605-07:00On 4/25/71, the first show of the Fillmore East ru...On 4/25/71, the first show of the Fillmore East run, after Morning Dew an audience member shouts for Dark Star. <br />Garcia replies, "Where were all you Dark Star people two years ago when we were playing it all the time? Too bad, man, too bad!" <br /><br />The Dead would relent and play it a couple times in that run (4/26 and 4/28). Garcia could be snippy about audience requests Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-78209554231765522442016-12-20T14:05:30.340-08:002016-12-20T14:05:30.340-08:00Apropos of nothing (other than the year 1971), I s...Apropos of nothing (other than the year 1971), I still feel that interplay between Jerry, Bobby, Phil and Bill in the interlude between NFA and GDTRFB from Skull&Roses is some of the finest, most fluid and easy playing I ever heard from them - and I agree with a previous poster that Bobby was a solid contributor in the early 70's (and way higher in the mix). Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11018267839928481276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-56219906045988236942015-10-11T21:46:43.123-07:002015-10-11T21:46:43.123-07:00I don't recall other 1972 second verses offhan...I don't recall other 1972 second verses offhand, and none from the next two years. <br />While it's satisfying to hear them go back to the verse, dropping it allowed new space for beautiful Dark Star endings and transitions that wouldn't have been possible if they'd kept the second verse.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-90329241975897394332015-10-11T16:06:32.268-07:002015-10-11T16:06:32.268-07:005-4-72
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I think that's it.5-4-72<br />7-26-72<br /><br />I think that's it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-81818363334604323512015-10-11T09:54:42.916-07:002015-10-11T09:54:42.916-07:00Thank you for the analysis of this song. Wonder wh...Thank you for the analysis of this song. Wonder which 1972-74 performances of Dark Star included the second verse, apart from 23-03-1972. Dark Star was never really complete without it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-26256406822430539602014-07-14T14:29:22.563-07:002014-07-14T14:29:22.563-07:00The thing I miss is Ned's synthesizer on the r...The thing I miss is Ned's synthesizer on the recordings. If you watch the bonus disc on the Grateful Dead Movie DVD, during Dark Star, you can SEE Ned playing his synths (a white face ARP Odyssey and an Emu modular) and I keep thinking "Ohhh, I wish we could HEAR what he's doing". I always thought some abstract synthesizer work would fit in well with some of the big 72-74 era Kohntarkoszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05174220652971790074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-86468628610460939702014-04-01T08:31:07.896-07:002014-04-01T08:31:07.896-07:00Re the 11/7/71 Dark Star, I noticed that when cuei...Re the 11/7/71 Dark Star, I noticed that when cueing the verse Garcia keeps playing the Dark Star riff in a faster tempo than where the rest of the band is playing. Sounds like they had trouble agreeing on tempo (perhaps a reason why they would ditch the song in favor of The Other One a few minutes later).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-30364809926218038362013-06-22T10:09:45.322-07:002013-06-22T10:09:45.322-07:00I really like what he brings to the band on those ...I really like what he brings to the band on those '74 shows.I thought the keyboards on the 6/16/74 version of PITB sound very much like Ned at some points.I can't say I've heard any evidence of him on the 6/23 Star.I also just listened to the 8/14/71 Other One and found no trace of his playing.While listening to the 8/14 Other One at about 5:19 out of a St. Stephen/China Cat-ish jam jerlouvisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-35737452891459227462013-06-21T13:21:38.407-07:002013-06-21T13:21:38.407-07:00Ned can be heard more clearly in the Sept/Oct '...Ned can be heard more clearly in the Sept/Oct '74 shows when he joins the Dead's sets. He's said that he played in the 6/23/74 Dark Star too, but is inaudible there, I believe. <br />As for earlier shows, his presence on 11/21/70 is undetectable; here on 4/8/71, he's extremely hard to hear (same with 4/7/71, in which I believe he also plays on piano); and he also says he played inLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-9762927234387832982013-06-20T21:15:23.966-07:002013-06-20T21:15:23.966-07:00I consistently hear new things in versions I know ...I consistently hear new things in versions I know well and like as well as versions I might not be as fond of,such as those early '71 Stars.I've been mulling over a project of re-listening to all versions of the Other One,Dark Star and PITB between '69 and '74 and reviewing them for myself again.<br /><br />I wasn't aware of Ned's desire to not be heard,he seemed fine withjerlouvisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-81163266979260212882013-06-20T17:20:01.521-07:002013-06-20T17:20:01.521-07:00It's always possible to hear old jams a new wa...It's always possible to hear old jams a new way... I often notice how the music seems to change from one listen to another. Of course it depends how receptive the listener is, especially when there's more going on than we can take in at one hearing.<br /><br />It seems Ned didn't want to be heard...he was playing for the band, not for the audience, kind of a "ghost" Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-28841766554457055832013-06-20T11:57:32.200-07:002013-06-20T11:57:32.200-07:00This thread made me go back and listen to the 5 pr...This thread made me go back and listen to the 5 pre-Keith Stars from '71 for the first time in a few years and I have to say I heard them in a different light and enjoyed them in new way.'71 is one of my least favorite years so I don't check in often,but in listening to these Stars I was impressed with how much more involved Weir and Billy (sans 2/18) are in the fabric of the song andjerlouvisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-63009164026465568842011-09-14T15:27:46.264-07:002011-09-14T15:27:46.264-07:00Thanks for the response. Neither of those are it,...Thanks for the response. Neither of those are it, but it does give me some idea of the time period. The tone I was using doesn't really have anything to do with it because I just have one crappy amp and no effects, so I'm limited in that regard. It's really the notes that I was playing that I'm hoping someone can recognize because I was playing it pretty much note-for-note. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-4907998787234532292011-09-12T19:44:47.657-07:002011-09-12T19:44:47.657-07:00Well, gee. No idea. Sounds like you're using a...Well, gee. No idea. Sounds like you're using a 1968 version as "backing", and given that pacing, the tone you're using, & the relative linearity of your lines, it seems like mid-1968 to me, or possibly early '69. Can't be more specific than that, but my first thought was of 9/2/68 or 8/24/68.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-20466742875256897252011-09-12T08:03:20.939-07:002011-09-12T08:03:20.939-07:00Thanks for this blog. I've been searching for...Thanks for this blog. I've been searching for a particular Dark Star that is my favorite ever and your blog has been pointing me to many different versions that are great to hear. I was wondering if you might be able to help me locate this version of Dark Star that I'm trying to find. I made a video of me playing the intro that I remember. Perhaps you'll be able to match it up to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-14653566636892869332010-05-30T13:23:22.640-07:002010-05-30T13:23:22.640-07:00about the notes for http://www.archive.org/details...about the notes for http://www.archive.org/details/<br />gd73-11-28.sbd-seastones.finney.968.sbefail.shnf <br /><br />that brings back memories...<br /><br />I-) ihorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-57198964694358332532010-05-28T19:39:45.842-07:002010-05-28T19:39:45.842-07:00Excellent discography, Ihor, though it seems to be...Excellent discography, Ihor, though it seems to be little-known (and, if I may say so, rather intimidating to browse). <br />It's interesting to me that your discography is on a parallel track with the independent deaddisc.com... One of my goals with this blog is that future Dead researchers (at least for the topics I talk about) won't have to keep 'rediscovering the wheel' (so toLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-46420506175630534802010-05-28T12:01:43.289-07:002010-05-28T12:01:43.289-07:00xref your mention of ned lagin and live performanc...xref your mention of ned lagin and live performances of 'seastones'. from tcgdd.freeyellow.com <br /><br />There were live performances of "Seastones" on June 6, 1975 at Angelica Hall of Dominican College in San Rafael, California, on September 19, 1975 at the Palace of Fine Arts Theater in San Francisco, and two performances (early and late) on November 22, 1975 at the 390 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-61930047066614947302010-03-06T15:01:34.007-08:002010-03-06T15:01:34.007-08:00Great stuff. I can hardly wait for you to get to ...Great stuff. I can hardly wait for you to get to the great Stars and TOOs of 1972! Good call on the 7/31/71. I had the release already, but it was well worth another listen. <br /><br />At the end of the 7/31/71 DS, when they have wound down the jamming and are essentially in idle, you can hear one of them shout "Wharf Rat!". But instead they strum a little longer and then go into Lukenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-19857344848230537102010-03-02T12:45:25.819-08:002010-03-02T12:45:25.819-08:00Yes, Ned Lagin's story is an interesting one. ...Yes, Ned Lagin's story is an interesting one. There's an online transcript of the Gans show where Ned plays excerpts of the 3-17-75 studio jams & talks about the Dead, well worth reading - his long interview in the Conversations with the Dead book is also essential. <br />It is distressing not to be able to hear him when he's playing. (Just as he nudged the Dead towards spaciness,Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-78203212934001841922010-03-02T07:03:43.511-08:002010-03-02T07:03:43.511-08:00I know Ned Lagin sat in with the Dead at Berkeley ...I know Ned Lagin sat in with the Dead at Berkeley in August 1971, as I recall talking to an eyewitness many years ago. <br /><br />The whole subject of Ned Lagin is quite an interesting one. I think he was more influential than people realize. Apparently he insisted on not being recorded, for whatever reasons. I believe, though I don't recall for a fact, that he was on a number of 1974 jams (Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.com