tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post5707774992364266827..comments2024-03-17T11:10:04.872-07:00Comments on Grateful Dead Guide: The Velvets and the DeadLight Into Asheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-56379136433748734252024-01-12T21:19:26.419-08:002024-01-12T21:19:26.419-08:00Funny seeing this almost four years from now, seei...Funny seeing this almost four years from now, seeing in the meanwhile VU got a decently big documentary, three and a half million monthly listeners on spotify, their four albums -- no, we are not counting that one -- keeps getting repressed on vinyl. There's still a lot to the Velvet cache.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-20565088014776921562022-06-13T00:37:57.364-07:002022-06-13T00:37:57.364-07:00I don't know anything except that outfit excep...I don't know anything except that outfit except what was mentioned in these reviews of the show: <br />http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2017/11/february-7-1969-stanley-theater.html <br />Solar System were both the producers and the light show at the concert, an unusual combination. Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-81116355952652484022022-06-12T10:37:44.209-07:002022-06-12T10:37:44.209-07:00Feb 69 show at Pittsburgh Stanley theater, Velvets...Feb 69 show at Pittsburgh Stanley theater, Velvets, Dead, Fugs, Paul Krassner as MC ! Does anyone know who the people at Solar System Light and Power were that out this show on?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-89132738299665686742019-12-04T14:25:50.899-08:002019-12-04T14:25:50.899-08:00I disagree with most of that, but that's OK. I...I disagree with most of that, but that's OK. It's possible to like both bands.<br />Can't argue about the Dead's staying power, but the Velvets were certainly more important and influential in rock music from at least the '70s-90s, when the Dead (despite their large audiences) were widely derided as talentless drugged hippy music, sealed off from any cultural relevance. Only Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-75176790576421701682019-12-04T11:59:57.964-08:002019-12-04T11:59:57.964-08:00Lou Reed calls the Dead a fad and talentless, but ...Lou Reed calls the Dead a fad and talentless, but look at the VU and the Dead now, fifty-some years later. The Velvets come across as dated, monotonous, and stuck in the 60s, while people of all ages are still filling stadiums to listen to Dead music in one form or another. Even if you like the VU a lot more than I do, it's hard to argue that the Dead had more staying power and tapped into a Gene Famahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11131757630827277589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-82591724557164733792019-12-04T08:40:56.432-08:002019-12-04T08:40:56.432-08:00Years later, Jerry was at Atlantic Studios.
6/88 O...Years later, Jerry was at Atlantic Studios.<br />6/88 Ornette Coleman and Prime Time<br />Virgin Beauty Jerry plays on “Three Wishes,” “Singing in The Shower” and “Desert Players”Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-1066594615113405662019-04-26T13:47:08.940-07:002019-04-26T13:47:08.940-07:00Here's another (brief) account of the April &#...Here's another (brief) account of the April '69 Kinetic Playground shows: <br />"I was there, 4/25-26/69... <br />4/25: SRC: short set. VU: short set. GD: short set. SRC short second set. VU: very long set, past curfew of The Electric Theater. Quite good, though. <br />4/26: SRC short set. VU: short set. Grateful Dead: 2 1/2 hours straight through. My friend saw the VU pack their Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-88112613959142541952019-04-24T13:21:37.825-07:002019-04-24T13:21:37.825-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Buck Dancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10094655244860150235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-80150045006015748392019-03-02T04:03:49.634-08:002019-03-02T04:03:49.634-08:00Thanks for that. I was hoping someone would bring ...Thanks for that. I was hoping someone would bring up Bangs.Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982978385220015861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-88698403022120227442018-12-22T22:13:35.039-08:002018-12-22T22:13:35.039-08:00Yes; also mentioned in the 3/17/16 comment above. ...Yes; also mentioned in the 3/17/16 comment above. Lou did like the song (though I'm surprised to hear he ever played it with the Velvets). But so many '60s bands covered it, I think sharing this cover with the Dead was just a coincidence. It's hard to imagine Lou or Sterling knowingly playing any song the Dead had touched; but the Dead had played Lovelight in each of their shows with Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-17871171128925084992018-12-21T16:24:02.039-08:002018-12-21T16:24:02.039-08:00Another interesting commonality: both bands covere...Another interesting commonality: both bands covered Lovelight. Although the only versions we have with the Velvets are from 1971 after Lou left the band. But somewhere, I forget where, there is a recollection of their 1970 Max's Kansas City residency and it is mentioned they covered Lovelight then. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201103308755073718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-28243507513589936752018-08-24T18:24:03.519-07:002018-08-24T18:24:03.519-07:00Other Scenes (a Los Angeles underground paper) had...Other Scenes (a Los Angeles underground paper) had an interesting early comparison between the Dead and the Velvet Underground in a 1969 article on the Velvets: <br /><br />"The Exploding Plastic Inevitable, of which Warhol was Prime Mover and The Velvets resident Music-makers, has its own Merry Pranksters. And though the parallel with Kesey's roving acid freaks doesn't touch the Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-82627675015263450222018-05-03T16:27:25.946-07:002018-05-03T16:27:25.946-07:00Odd, since Ed talked about the show in his memoir ...Odd, since Ed talked about the show in his memoir Fug You. I presume after 1987, perhaps while researching his book, his memory was sharpened or he was reminded that the show really happened! <br />A couple local reviews are here: <br />http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2017/11/february-7-1969-stanley-theater.html Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-18797844939712623942018-05-03T14:42:02.145-07:002018-05-03T14:42:02.145-07:00Very tangential and late to this party, but I was ...Very tangential and late to this party, but I was with a friend and Ed Sanders of the Fugs around 1987. The Feb 7, 1969 Stanley Theater show w/ the Dead, Velvets and Fugs was his first concert. He was telling Ed about it and Ed was adamant that the Fugs had never shared a bill w/ the Dead and Velvet Underground.Eliot Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14042814347413059490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-59171354979328088662017-07-03T00:44:54.533-07:002017-07-03T00:44:54.533-07:00The Velvet Underground & The Grateful Dead at ...The Velvet Underground & The Grateful Dead at 50: How 1967 Produced the Two Most Important Cult Bands of All Time<br /><br />3/22/2017 by Joe Lynch<br /><br />http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7735572/velvet-underground-grateful-dead-cult-debutsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151754375395859054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-37863013165182793472017-07-03T00:41:26.966-07:002017-07-03T00:41:26.966-07:00AllMusic Review by Mark Deming
Howard Smith was a...AllMusic Review by Mark Deming<br /><br />Howard Smith was a music journalist who later went on to successful careers in filmmaking and broadcasting. During his time as a rock writer, Smith spoke with some of the most famous and influential figures in pop music, and this set includes two interviews from his archive. In a February 1970 conversation with Jerry Garcia, the Grateful Dead guitarist Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151754375395859054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-8291769156617559342016-10-22T09:48:33.647-07:002016-10-22T09:48:33.647-07:00
The real joke is that everything Reed had to say ...<br />The real joke is that everything Reed had to say about Zappa and the Dead fit his own music far better, especially words things like two-bit and pretentious. Sounds almost like sour grapes, as at the time the VU were (rightly) being ignored while Zappa and the Dead were quite popular. <br />Sluggohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05383902170765906202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-72102759096301124282016-08-28T19:56:50.186-07:002016-08-28T19:56:50.186-07:00Not really. The VU recorded Loaded at Atlantic Stu...Not really. The VU recorded Loaded at Atlantic Studios in New York, which the Dead never set foot in. Offhand, I don't recall the Dead ever using a New York recording studio after Anthem of the Sun in Dec '67/spring '68 (and that was brief, possibly not even used on Anthem). Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-75155174053214333022016-08-28T13:30:51.379-07:002016-08-28T13:30:51.379-07:00They have similar sonic qualities because Loaded w...They have similar sonic qualities because Loaded was recorded at the same studio that the Grateful Dead also record at. I think it was for the Workingman's Dead record.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07034394079339810748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-71899882175627359842016-03-17T19:54:33.283-07:002016-03-17T19:54:33.283-07:00Ha! A spine-chilling introduction to California, t...Ha! A spine-chilling introduction to California, to be sure. <br /><br />Doug wasn't as anti-Dead as Lou - he made some qualified comments about the Dead in the 1970 interview quoted in the post...basically saying they were originally "a lot of fun" but had over-intellectualized their music. His complaint that Garcia's solos were too long & repetitive is ironic, considering Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-71804147149940380092016-03-17T15:00:43.811-07:002016-03-17T15:00:43.811-07:00It's worth mentioning a couple of things here:...It's worth mentioning a couple of things here:<br /><br />1. After Lou Reed left the band in August 1970, the band was taken over by Doug Yule. Doug was probably a bigger Dead fan than we have been led to believe, since by late 1971 the band was incorporating "Lovelight" into their setlists. By the time of the band's final incarnation in 1973, they had shifted their sound Scott Parkerhttp://www.spbpublishing.webs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-45077811419951152482015-12-03T21:06:23.909-08:002015-12-03T21:06:23.909-08:00Doug Yule gives another account of the 4/25-26/69 ...Doug Yule gives another account of the 4/25-26/69 Kinetic Playground, Chicago shows in the new Complete Matrix Tapes booklet, which says that "the Dead played first on the 25th but went twice over their allotted hour." <br />Yule: "That devolved to a war of set length... Lou was fuming. He was really pissed when we finally got on. The next night, we were up first. For Lou, this wasLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-70103512437793446212015-11-19T20:07:11.052-08:002015-11-19T20:07:11.052-08:00I discovered this great post looking to add to a c...I discovered this great post looking to add to a comment to a recent article about the Acid Tests http://flashbak.com/how-the-mythical-ethical-icicle-tricycle-became-the-grateful-dead-45758/<br />and linked it there.<br />Together they make a great comparison.Stannous Flouridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01564622434715194736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-62691652595935178252015-08-05T16:52:46.573-07:002015-08-05T16:52:46.573-07:00Another diligent researcher has found an alternate...Another diligent researcher has found an alternate account of 4/26/69, suggesting that the reason the Dead played so long was because Lou Reed got dosed and couldn't play!<br /> <br />Scott Richardson was the singer in SRC (the Michigan band also on the bill for that show), and he told his story in Steve Miller's 2013 oral history "Detroit Rock City":<br /><br />"We played Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-40668928932207371152015-07-10T13:55:38.784-07:002015-07-10T13:55:38.784-07:00I have long thought that Side 2 of Loaded sounds a...I have long thought that Side 2 of Loaded sounds a bit like the Dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com