tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post6780661274732235303..comments2024-03-28T17:56:00.841-07:00Comments on Grateful Dead Guide: Dark Star: A Tale of Four MixesLight Into Asheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-69418803604881065922023-03-31T21:28:03.682-07:002023-03-31T21:28:03.682-07:00Yeah, Live/Dead was played on the radio in spring ...Yeah, Live/Dead was played on the radio in spring '69, and it may well have been an early mix different from the later release. But we'll never know unless a tape surfaces, which seems unlikely at this point. <br /><br />http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2015/07/1969-livedead-reviews.html Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-82924236119287746322023-03-30T23:54:55.255-07:002023-03-30T23:54:55.255-07:00Me again...was just going through posts about FM b...Me again...was just going through posts about FM broadcasts and someone mentioned a "rough mix" played on SF radio months before Live/Dead was released. Is this possibly yet another mix? I wonder if anyone kept listenable tapes of that, and what became of the tape given to the station?Jim Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775659356285581409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-11633808018272861752023-03-08T15:16:05.399-08:002023-03-08T15:16:05.399-08:00Also worth noting is how drums was included in the...Also worth noting is how drums was included in the Truckin track on Hundred Year Hall. Maybe somebody was just really mad at Billy that week. I believe that Truckin is also the one senseless edit on the E72 box set, I think they cut out a bit near the vocal reprise that is on HYH. But this isn't the place to start discussing Europe 72. Plus I usually use non-box set sources when I put on 4/26Jim Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775659356285581409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-59118614267725047162023-03-08T04:37:26.983-08:002023-03-08T04:37:26.983-08:00If McNally was suggesting that Dark Star>Other ...If McNally was suggesting that Dark Star>Other One was a regular suite, I disagree: even in 1969 they weren't paired that often. Sometimes Dark Star came first, sometimes (as on 2/28) the Other One suite. <br />Anthem of the Sun had only come out the year before; I really doubt the Other One would have been considered for the new album no matter how much better it was played. But you bringLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-19999945734860034112023-03-04T15:50:09.555-08:002023-03-04T15:50:09.555-08:00I was just thumbing through the booklet that came ...I was just thumbing through the booklet that came with the box set, McNally suggests (or perhaps theorizes) the idea of including an Other One suite in his comments about how Dark Star and Other One were their first original compositions that led to the specific Live/Dead suite they were looking to capture and ultimately formed the Grateful Dead sound and approach in general:<br /><br />"Jim Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775659356285581409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-52998791557576038442023-03-03T03:24:54.109-08:002023-03-03T03:24:54.109-08:00The one time the Dead did offer individual tracks ...The one time the Dead did offer individual tracks for listeners to do their own mix, it was for a few songs from Veneta '72 on their site: <br />https://www.dead.net/playingintheband (I don't know if the page still works, my computer chokes on it) <br /><br />I can't verify vinyl mixes, but I've read that the 2020 vinyl reissue of Live/Dead was the original mix, but the 2003 RhinoLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-26982672512371604842023-02-25T20:47:07.289-08:002023-02-25T20:47:07.289-08:00I don't know what I was thinking, the box soun...I don't know what I was thinking, the box sounds great, I just prefer the original Live/Dead mix for Dark Star. Despite having heard these shows dozens of times, this year I really noticed something about the version on 2/28. They find themselves coming to all the same signposts of other Stars of the era ("Sputnik" and "Bright Star," etc.), and you hear them almost start Jim Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775659356285581409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-53606944531533795022023-02-22T22:31:12.720-08:002023-02-22T22:31:12.720-08:00I've been juggling a lot of 1968-1970 shows ou...I've been juggling a lot of 1968-1970 shows out of order to fit appropriate shows for appropriate listening times and got to the "Live/Dead Run" early this year. For some reason I'm just not enjoying the box set mixes as much, I particularly don't like the way the drums are mixed. At times Billy is just buried. On headphones things sound better but in the car it's a wallJim Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775659356285581409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-57235750625993824542019-06-25T22:40:56.178-07:002019-06-25T22:40:56.178-07:00I wrote: "It’s unlikely that the January ’69 ...I wrote: "It’s unlikely that the January ’69 Avalon shows will ever be released – most of the multitrack reels were erased; and Bear’s two-track tapes have so many mixing problems they’ll probably never be considered for release." <br /><br />As it happens, the issue was sidestepped on the Aoxomoxoa 50th release, when a selection from the shows (without significant mix/cut problems) wasLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-36148593964139046302019-02-27T18:50:31.529-08:002019-02-27T18:50:31.529-08:00A good time to revisit this post on the 50th anniv...A good time to revisit this post on the 50th anniversary, my favorite thing about February. I can never pick a mix, though these days I generally go with the full run box set.<br /><br />Has anyone ever discussed the unique arrangement of the 2/27 Dark Star, that is how right off the jump Kreutzmann is on the trap kit? I can't think of any other Star from the 68-70 era where he does this.<br Jim Effnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-60366217141641861292017-11-18T17:22:30.228-08:002017-11-18T17:22:30.228-08:00Excellent information , but I a, still confused as...Excellent information , but I a, still confused as to where I might get all the mix versions of Live Dead Dark Star.Underground Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17726266402279420934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-48771211867259291012017-10-30T11:41:56.271-07:002017-10-30T11:41:56.271-07:00I think that would be the Dark Star 1968 essay:
h...I think that would be the Dark Star 1968 essay: <br />http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/dark-star-1968.html <br /><br />It doesn't specifically delineate sections, but it does mention the first appearances of those motifs (the "bright star" theme on 2/23/68, "Sputnik" on 9/2/68). <br />I think those are the only two Dark Star motifs that have been given names to Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-12454568977227569862017-10-29T22:31:26.843-07:002017-10-29T22:31:26.843-07:00LIA - is there an essay on your site that delineat...LIA - is there an essay on your site that delineates the various 69 Dark Star sections? (sputnik, bright star, etc.)<br /><br />I was quite certain I read one like that and it must have been here, but on subsequent attempts to find it, I haven't been able to.Ianua Ditishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18170076931577069153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-82511086038333230842017-09-02T05:17:39.899-07:002017-09-02T05:17:39.899-07:00Thank you so much for pointing me to these interes...Thank you so much for pointing me to these interesting essays. It's possible that the essay talking about the different parts of Dark Star that I referred to, was an essay about the Grayfolded project itself, with me taking the Grayfolded track listing as different parts of Dark Star. Eh, not quite: and there's no Sputnik jam in the track listing either. I've never heard Grayfoldedstrandednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-14326496683472376902017-08-28T20:33:40.411-07:002017-08-28T20:33:40.411-07:00Hmm, I'm not sure which essay you're think...Hmm, I'm not sure which essay you're thinking of.... <br />This essay has a brief analysis of the Live/Dead Dark Star: <br />http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/ds.html (Steven Skaggs, "Dark Star as an Example of Transcendental Aesthetics")<br />Graeme Boone wrote a much lengthier musicological analysis of this performance: <br />http://www.lipscomb.umn.edu/rock/docs/Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-38252411292975296322017-08-27T09:05:13.116-07:002017-08-27T09:05:13.116-07:00I know there's an essay somewhere on the '...I know there's an essay somewhere on the 'net which talks about different parts of Dark Star -- could you provide a link to it? <br /><br />One part that's always fascinated me starts at about the 13:11 mark (Live/Dead version) with Garcia playing an extremely harsh melody; it eventually simplifies, bogs down, gets some sort of drone-like effect in it (Bobby?), and then just falls strandednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-8101971666177323972017-08-10T01:30:58.018-07:002017-08-10T01:30:58.018-07:00Thanks for getting in touch with Joe Gastwirt! Val...Thanks for getting in touch with Joe Gastwirt! Valuable comments, though I find it impossible to believe that the Rhino box-set Live/Dead used the same mix & master as the first Warners CD. Given all the differences throughout the album in track levels and placement, I had to conclude that the remaster used a different mix from the original multitrack tapes. (I'm no audio engineer, thoughLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-603857397119525152017-08-09T19:32:37.692-07:002017-08-09T19:32:37.692-07:00I asked Joe Gastwirt who kindly shared this info a...I asked Joe Gastwirt who kindly shared this info about the live dead mixes<br />"I can only speak of versions 1 & 2 as I had nothing to do with 3 & 4.<br />The first release in the early days of digital audio was taken from the the exact same master as the second version. There was no mysterious new mix slipped in on the box set like the first studio album. One of the many Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836400229247892182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-91796163223322779462017-08-09T19:26:17.018-07:002017-08-09T19:26:17.018-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836400229247892182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-80717994471691322012017-08-09T19:22:40.981-07:002017-08-09T19:22:40.981-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836400229247892182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-7198285672324411932017-08-08T10:46:15.030-07:002017-08-08T10:46:15.030-07:00Thanks for the link. It sounds identical to the ol...Thanks for the link. It sounds identical to the old Warners Live/Dead CD, which was remastered by Joe Gastwirt, so I believe it's the exact same mix.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-36531485906981995272017-08-07T13:20:47.741-07:002017-08-07T13:20:47.741-07:00i don't know i think its a rogue mix by someon...i don't know i think its a rogue mix by someone(presumable gastwirt, I've heard his hendrix mixes and they are radically different , and is according to the nice listening guide you've assembled completely different from any of the 4 mixes you've mentioned. <br />here it is (in AAC i can repost in mp3 if need be)<br />http://www87.zippyshare.com/v/nJlfx8bn/file.html<br />I know Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836400229247892182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-83287561631377488562017-03-15T19:55:14.630-07:002017-03-15T19:55:14.630-07:00Stories from Herbie Greene, the photographer who d...Stories from Herbie Greene, the photographer who documented the Summer of Love of 1967 in San Francisco like no other photographer at the time, with the exception of his friend and fellow shooter Jim Marshall. Herbie had a studio where all likes of street people and more importantly the upper echelon of musicians in San Francisco would stop by to have Herbie take their portraits and in many casesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16919517478105737121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-17315400238462413292017-03-01T17:20:06.746-08:002017-03-01T17:20:06.746-08:00Must have been Norman. Odd that he took it upon hi...Must have been Norman. Odd that he took it upon himself and took the time. Something must have bugged him about the mix and he had the master reels so... There's mostly a mastering difference [EQ/reverb/channels] but here and there some track volume differences and what not (as you listed). Not surprised the 2005 mix is different since you can get up the next day and make different choices. IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-47984013535431684192017-02-28T08:40:23.342-08:002017-02-28T08:40:23.342-08:00We don't know. As the article says, though it ...We don't know. As the article says, though it seems likely that Jeff Norman did this mix, he isn’t credited for it, nor could I find an interview where this remix is mentioned, and it's quite different from his 2005 Fillmore West mix...so this remains a mystery.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com