tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post9020167073215172474..comments2024-03-28T17:56:00.841-07:00Comments on Grateful Dead Guide: The Mysterious Case of 12/17/70Light Into Asheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-52638255437234314612020-05-16T00:20:33.717-07:002020-05-16T00:20:33.717-07:00Thanks for your memories! It's surprising to h...Thanks for your memories! It's surprising to hear that so few people went...maybe they were waiting for the New Year's show. <br />The Dead were advertised as the "acoustic Dead" a few times in December '70, but never actually played acoustic that month (except in one radio appearance). I'm not sure why. <br />The whole (?) show has come out - it's a short and mellowLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-69585754768848292072020-05-15T21:01:56.495-07:002020-05-15T21:01:56.495-07:00I was at Winterland 12/23/70. It was advertised as...I was at Winterland 12/23/70. It was advertised as “Acoustic Grateful Dead” in the San Francisco Chronicle, but there was no acoustic set. Here are my memories. Winterland was mostly empty. There was at most about 200 or so in attendance. First there was a New Riders set, even though they were not advertised. During New Riders, a wheeled cart containing a big vat of electric apple cider (usually Lou S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10010773226717772806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-26590349479553335092020-01-13T08:39:51.669-08:002020-01-13T08:39:51.669-08:00You'll find the answers here:
http://www.pops...You'll find the answers here: <br />http://www.popspotsnyc.com/workingmans_dead/ Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-22466288589544533752020-01-13T02:59:55.515-08:002020-01-13T02:59:55.515-08:00To change the subject...now seems as good a place ...To change the subject...now seems as good a place as any...I have a question about the photo on the cover of Workingman's Dead. Who took it? And does anyone remember an alternate picture that showed A GIANT MOLE MAN standing on the roof of the building behind Hunter? Maybe I was tripping but I swear I saw this picture somewhere. I think it was an advertisement or publicity shot. Please Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15023555785798421028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-23205873418015918312019-08-21T23:42:49.903-07:002019-08-21T23:42:49.903-07:00One newspaper's brief report on these shows:
...One newspaper's brief report on these shows: <br />"Quicksilver Messenger Service played San Francisco's Winterland in two four-hour sessions televised over an educational television outlet and simulcast in quadrophonic sound over two of the city's FM stations. <br />The group, along with Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane, also made live 16-track tape recordings for future useLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-12736445594831293742018-02-15T13:39:08.486-08:002018-02-15T13:39:08.486-08:00Record World also ran an article on the soon-to-op...Record World also ran an article on the soon-to-open Pepperland in its 8/1/70 issue (Mike Sigman, "Pepperland Dancery to Open on Coast"). An excerpt: <br /><br />"Nat Shind and Ben Blatt, who are getting set to open a new rock palace called Pepperland on the West Coast, were in New York last week contacting agencies and promotion people about their new enterprise. They also droppedLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-87086548625500134402016-10-18T12:37:19.450-07:002016-10-18T12:37:19.450-07:00During the KSAN commentary after the Dead's se...During the KSAN commentary after the Dead's set, someone explains, "It's really incredible how the sound's being put together - it's coming out of here and it's going into Wally Heider's remote truck out in the street, and being mixed on a 16-channel machine, and then it comes back into here where Bob [Matthews?] mixes it to 4 and sends it out to KSAN and KQED and Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-27667402266370501482015-12-03T23:33:54.276-08:002015-12-03T23:33:54.276-08:00While it was a discovery (when I wrote this) to fi...While it was a discovery (when I wrote this) to find that the Dead were recording for a live album as early as October 1970, it's even more surprising to find that they were planning the live album as far back as July '70! <br /><br />From the July 25, 1970 Billboard - "Rock Ballroom Ready to Swing Out in Calif. Town," an article on the opening of Pepperland in San Rafael. <br /Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-48230426684998814842015-01-27T21:46:28.417-08:002015-01-27T21:46:28.417-08:00The first reel of the 12/23/70 Winterland show has...The first reel of the 12/23/70 Winterland show has come into circulation, from Charlie Miller's collection. (David Gans also played it on his show some years ago.) The setlist: <br />Deep Elem Blues<br />BIODTL<br />King Bee<br />Me & My Uncle<br />Cumberland Blues (cuts) <br /><br />The next reel concluding the show is familiar: <br />Me & Bobby McGee <br />Dire Wolf <br />Good LovinLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-39002610782095636922013-11-21T17:48:53.721-08:002013-11-21T17:48:53.721-08:00The Rolling Stone reference comes from the Grace S...The Rolling Stone reference comes from the Grace Slick interview, 11/12/70 issue: <br />“We’re at Wally Heider’s studio, and Jerry Garcia has arrived to get a dub of Kantner’s Starship song and to listen to his own band’s tape from the previous weekend’s Winterland gig.” <br />So that would be from early October '70. Since the live tapes were at Heider's, it confirms that the shows were Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-38370907948195601392013-10-28T12:44:13.009-07:002013-10-28T12:44:13.009-07:00We don't know. The one eyewitness report we ha...We don't know. The one eyewitness report we have, from 12/21/70, has Kreutzmann drumming. The one time Jerry spoke about David & the Dorks, he said, "me and Phil and Bill and Mickey, we backed up David." <br />The Matrix tape we have was always thought to be Hart, but I don't know how that attribution originated. <br />So the evidence is vague. Hart & Kreutzmann seem to Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-45154544186868306912013-10-28T06:36:38.340-07:002013-10-28T06:36:38.340-07:00Okay did "David & The Dorks" consist...Okay did "David & The Dorks" consist of Crosby-Garcia-Lesh plus either Hart or Kreutzmann, or did it always consist of Kreutzmann and never of Hart?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10000408775807057170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-88863784759690691292012-07-09T22:31:30.008-07:002012-07-09T22:31:30.008-07:00listening to 12/17 garcia , lesh and crosby- nicelistening to 12/17 garcia , lesh and crosby- niceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-64797670172238782362012-06-05T19:33:42.417-07:002012-06-05T19:33:42.417-07:002/18 was also the only night of the run in which M...2/18 was also the only night of the run in which Mickey Hart played, and the only night in which Ned Lagin joined in. The band's spirits probably dropped on the following nights...Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-14653326281371438222012-06-05T10:59:14.586-07:002012-06-05T10:59:14.586-07:00the magic did strike for one of the shows .... the...the magic did strike for one of the shows .... the opening night of 2/18/71.<br /><br />I saw a few of the shows on that 6 night run, and 2/18 is definitely magic in every sense of the word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-33493125227226965082010-10-17T01:36:15.191-07:002010-10-17T01:36:15.191-07:00I'd like to know more about the Dead's pla...I'd like to know more about the Dead's plans for the December '70 Port Chester shows & why they were canceled. It could be that, after touring for almost 2 months, they were sick of it! It could be that Jerry wanted to stay in the studio for a while. <br />Or, as they announced, they may have wanted to work on more new songs. We know by Dec '70, Bird Song & Bertha were Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-35654147580140909452010-10-16T17:12:02.333-07:002010-10-16T17:12:02.333-07:00LIA, I think you are absolutely right that this wa...LIA, I think you are absolutely right that this was a false start on what would become <i>Skullfuck</i>. One of the <i>Rolling Stone</i> interviews from late 1970/early 1971 -- I think it's the Kantner/Slick one -- partly takes place at Heider's, and says something about Jerry working with tapes from the GD's Winterland shows. These would be 10/4 and 10/5/70, I think.<br /><br />ThereFate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-56710858316325804432010-10-05T12:41:15.514-07:002010-10-05T12:41:15.514-07:00I realize there are some possible objections to th...I realize there are some possible objections to the idea that 10/4 and 10/5/70 could have been taped for a live album, which I'll try to address in speculative fashion: <br /><br />1. Why tape only these short one-hour Winterland sets? <br />Because these were the only 'hometown' shows the Dead played in that time period, between August & December. For Live/Dead, they had Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-13884262825530586372010-10-05T12:14:05.873-07:002010-10-05T12:14:05.873-07:00Cryptdev, I think you're right that the "...Cryptdev, I think you're right that the "Acoustic Dead" billing for 12/23/70 was a false alarm. A couple 'witnesses' had indicated that the whole show was electric, but I was hoping they were wrong! (Winterland did seem like an unusual venue to pull out the acoustics in, though...) <br />On deadlists, Michael Parrish holds out hope that at Pepperland 12/21/70, maybe an Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-67446525835180725432010-10-05T09:23:40.365-07:002010-10-05T09:23:40.365-07:00This is amazing research, and sheds a good light o...This is amazing research, and sheds a good light on how much yet remains to be sorted out.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-76559965462169445482010-10-05T05:55:55.675-07:002010-10-05T05:55:55.675-07:00There were a couple of December '70 shows bil...There were a couple of December '70 shows billed as "Acoustic Dead". In addition to 12/23/70, the 12/21/show at Pepperland was billed as such, and it turned out to be Garcia/Crosby/Lesh/Kreutzmann gig. An acoustic set was also promised for 12/31/70, and that apparently did not materialize either. I think it is safe to assume that the acoustic sets were abandoned soon after the cryptdevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13944617292210813801noreply@blogger.com