tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post7215858288027892108..comments2024-03-17T11:10:04.872-07:00Comments on Grateful Dead Guide: The Dead Quote ColtraneLight Into Asheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-22977260105430470372019-01-30T18:00:11.951-08:002019-01-30T18:00:11.951-08:00Weir talks a lot about Coltrane's music and in...Weir talks a lot about Coltrane's music and influence on him in this 1970 interview: <br />https://deadsources.blogspot.com/2019/01/1970-bob-weir-interview.html<br /><br />"He brings me up and I start playing stuff I didn't know I could play." Weir describes a recent Other One where "I kind of half remembered a Coltrane riff from Africa Brass that I was particularly fond ofLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-56023712344657207502018-12-13T22:25:36.750-08:002018-12-13T22:25:36.750-08:00I'm afraid that didn't remind me of anythi...I'm afraid that didn't remind me of anything! <br />'Song of the Underground Railroad' was released in 1974 on the Africa/Brass Sessions Vol. 2 album.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-68633449924492354612018-12-11T14:24:37.433-08:002018-12-11T14:24:37.433-08:00Listen to the "Song Of The Underground Railro...Listen to the "Song Of The Underground Railroad" from Africa/Brass. Does the beginning sound a little familiar, like it would inspire a certain well-known Dead song?<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTBQBtxJa6w3243https://www.blogger.com/profile/13059586058341689787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-11733424237924105032018-09-11T12:16:45.371-07:002018-09-11T12:16:45.371-07:00Deadbase 50 is wrong. The violinist is not LaFlamm...Deadbase 50 is wrong. The violinist is not LaFlamme, and Snooky Flowers was in Atlantic City that day. We don't know whether the saxophonist is Lloyd, and no one knows who the violinist was. <br />There has been much discussion of this: <br />http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2009/12/guest-flute-players-with-grateful-dead.html (see comments)<br />http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2015/08/Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-72646792076532611252018-09-11T07:56:14.347-07:002018-09-11T07:56:14.347-07:00that last example is new to me. (i'll listen f...that last example is new to me. (i'll listen for the first time tonight.) are we 100% certain it's charles lloyd? deadbase 50 says it's snooky flowers...EyesDudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06538144799243498584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-75145153581419442182018-05-10T10:27:36.948-07:002018-05-10T10:27:36.948-07:00I think the "Tiger Paws" reference may r...I think the "Tiger Paws" reference may relate to an animated TV ad circa 1970, for Uniroyal "Tiger Paws" tires. <br /><br />(Youtube clip is here: note what happens 19 seconds in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hc_expHAJo )<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />DC Readehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16966699799030112905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-2428090557079640192017-09-27T11:39:04.270-07:002017-09-27T11:39:04.270-07:00Commenter Nick writes:
"Jerry dropped little...Commenter Nick writes: <br />"Jerry dropped little snippets of Bach's 'Jesu, Man of Joy's Desiring' into a lot of his improvisations...I suspect that the Jesu melody is one scale or mode that Jerry favored a lot, and that it just kind of naturally fell out of his fingertips when he was improvising.<br />He did the same thing with the melody to "Freedom Jazz Dance" Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-33715263117853751052017-09-26T22:35:20.789-07:002017-09-26T22:35:20.789-07:00Jerry quotes the first phrase of the melody to &qu...Jerry quotes the first phrase of the melody to "Freedom Jazz Dance" by Eddie Harris somewhere, can't quite remember what shows though. I believe I've heard him do it on more than one occasion.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03605506340607682228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-2468668515442415342017-03-08T23:09:11.480-08:002017-03-08T23:09:11.480-08:00One listener pointed out that Phil's quote her...One listener pointed out that Phil's quote here is very similar to his Footprints quote in the 4/11/72 post-Truckin' jam (linked at the end of this post). <br />They're not identical - in the "Footprints" quote, Phil mainly sticks to the ascending & descending bass notes. The 4/26/72 "Greensleeves" quote sounds like a variation, but Phil plays around with it Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-42647875141353656882017-03-07T12:01:35.132-08:002017-03-07T12:01:35.132-08:00I noticed that - a '68 flashback!
He may have...I noticed that - a '68 flashback! <br />He may have played it in later '72 shows as well - see the comment on 7/8/15 above.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-43418616740799782582017-03-07T06:13:51.045-08:002017-03-07T06:13:51.045-08:00Phil seems to play the the same greensleeves riff ...Phil seems to play the the same greensleeves riff referenced above in the massive 4-26-72 Other One, beginning about 18:00 in the version here. (it's called Comes a Time on this mislabeled track.)<br />www.archive.org/details/gd1972-04-26.sbd.backus.12884.sbeok.shnf/gd1972-04-26d3t04.shnianua ditishttp://ianuaditis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-10110183119565302632017-01-14T23:25:24.856-08:002017-01-14T23:25:24.856-08:00Yes, that's an excellent interview published i...Yes, that's an excellent interview published in Feb '71; I'll post it on Dead Sources sometime soon. Weir's probably talking about one of the shows on the fall '70 tour, but it's impossible to be more specific. (Could be from a lost show, too.)<br /><br />'Tiger paws' is an interesting term - maybe Weir & Kreutzmann imagined the 'Other One' rhythm as Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-89778111646808686712017-01-14T06:42:08.058-08:002017-01-14T06:42:08.058-08:00Not sure if anyone has brought this up, or if anyo...Not sure if anyone has brought this up, or if anyone knows the show Weir's talking about here (the interview is from '70), but I just came across this quote in All a Dream: <br /><br />"We've been doing that ['going out and coming back'] pretty consistently on "The Other One," the song with the "tiger paws" rhyth that Billy and me came up with. The alechttps://fentonaudenraybourn.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-30113189978685106132016-10-13T14:47:38.867-07:002016-10-13T14:47:38.867-07:00Phil also quotes A Love Supreme in the jam out of ...Phil also quotes A Love Supreme in the jam out of Estimated Prophet on 12/26/79, labeled "Jam 1" on Dick's Picks 5.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-35396801300580514342015-07-08T23:29:50.055-07:002015-07-08T23:29:50.055-07:00I believe Lesh also quotes the 'Greensleeves&#...I believe Lesh also quotes the 'Greensleeves'/'Clementine' bass line in the 11/19/72 Dark Star, starting around 8:50, off & on for 90 seconds or so. <br />At least, that's what I hear. One listener thought it might be quoting the bass line from Coltrane's 'Ole.' <br /><br />Another took it to be an early version of the 6/8 bass riff so common in '73 jams - Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-56452419520429603032015-06-12T23:09:59.775-07:002015-06-12T23:09:59.775-07:00An alert listener found another Coltrane quote - a...An alert listener found another Coltrane quote - at the end of Let It Grow on 6/12/76, Keith plays the main theme of 'A Love Supreme' for the last 90 seconds or so. It doesn't really turn into a jam, though - more like a repeated tease - the band doesn't take it anywhere. I'm not sure if Keith played it on purpose or just found the riff accidentally... <br />https://Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-40815763068901982842013-09-02T17:32:04.666-07:002013-09-02T17:32:04.666-07:00Hmmm...some confusion as to who played bass on Gre...Hmmm...some confusion as to who played bass on Greensleeves. My copy of Africa Brass Vol. 1 and 2 indicates Mr. P.C. and Reggie Workman on Vol. 1 and for the version on Vol. 2, either Workman or Art Davis. However, if you look at the fine print for Vol. 2, there's an indication that the orchestra on May 23, 1961 (when both takes of Greensleeves were recorded)was of indeterminate personnel; Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-22397447980998050352013-09-02T17:18:11.639-07:002013-09-02T17:18:11.639-07:00Regarding the Africa Brass line: Jimmy Garrison...Regarding the Africa Brass line: Jimmy Garrison's line includes the b9 (Eb) of the Dmin. Either the changes in Trane's version are | Dmin \ \ Eb7 |(a la A Night in Tunisia) or it is D Phrygian, whereas the Dead give this line more of a British Blues feel, keeping it all within D minor. Most likely they didn't want to copy the line, but take the spirit of it and make it their own. It Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-8478889011253328902013-08-15T14:55:10.516-07:002013-08-15T14:55:10.516-07:00Nice catch Bent.Nice catch Bent.jerlouvisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-66198542863687104622012-11-14T15:31:44.527-08:002012-11-14T15:31:44.527-08:00at 9:26 in Dancing in the Streets on 1/18/70, Jerr...at 9:26 in Dancing in the Streets on 1/18/70, Jerry actually quotes Coltrane's "A Love Surpreme" for a few seconds. It feels like he arrives at it somewhat randomly, having just fluffed a line in his solo, and he actually sounds surprised at what he's doing and quickly moves on. Funny moment! <br />BentBentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-68886601600877598612012-05-11T07:27:11.321-07:002012-05-11T07:27:11.321-07:00Estimated Prophet is in 7/4, one of Weir's fav...Estimated Prophet is in 7/4, one of Weir's favorite meters: <br />http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/rhythm.htm <br /><br />Music Never Stopped, I don't know - I'm no musician - though, like many Dead songs, it shifts meters in the middle jam. I think most of it is a regular 4/4.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-83165901677223161362012-05-11T05:21:52.271-07:002012-05-11T05:21:52.271-07:00These are brilliant analyses. Took me awhile to fi...These are brilliant analyses. Took me awhile to find a GD blog with thoughtful takes on music. But can anyone answer a question that's hounded me for years (as a non musician): Weir writes in a distinctive meter. What is the meter for Music Never Stopped and Estimated? Forgive ignorance. I'm Dave, NYC, infoadmin@dbcinet.netDavehttp://dbcinet.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-84588561219984472292011-07-12T09:30:09.076-07:002011-07-12T09:30:09.076-07:00This was a forum post by jerlouvis that's well...This was a forum post by jerlouvis that's well worth repeating here: <br /><br />The Coltrane/free jazz influence on the band in '68-74 is every bit as evident in their playing and ideology as their blues, c+w and bluegrass roots, even more so than their rock influences... Here are a few examples of what I consider the band displaying the Coltrane/free jazz influence in a clear and Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com