tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post752153809126740654..comments2024-03-28T17:56:00.841-07:00Comments on Grateful Dead Guide: The Very Short Tale of Golden RoadLight Into Asheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-71666868494602946712021-06-27T08:49:09.179-07:002021-06-27T08:49:09.179-07:00In the 90's Vince Welnick advocated reviving t...In the 90's Vince Welnick advocated reviving the song, but Garcia refused. After both of them were gone, they played it at the Fare Thee Well show I saw and it was one of the (few) highlights of the show.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01358929592527070194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-28461703892506351232019-08-15T01:52:46.363-07:002019-08-15T01:52:46.363-07:00An interesting find. Most people probably wouldn&#...An interesting find. Most people probably wouldn't notice mix differences in background film music excerpts! While the live-show multitracks were tinkered with for specific movie mixes, my guess is the studio songs weren't remixed from the original tapes, and the differences are more the result of how the film sound was mastered. But I haven't checked this myself.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-74969790009214202892019-08-14T07:59:34.539-07:002019-08-14T07:59:34.539-07:00(Re-reading my comment, it sounds like one of thos...(Re-reading my comment, it sounds like one of those grumpy self-superior comments that are ruining the internet. Apologies. I do have an axe to grind the way the public and the music press talk about remixes and remasters, but maybe this wasn't the place.<br /><br />btw, the studio version of Ripple that appears in the montage just before this in the Movie is also a different mix. Maybe a Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15180036766802279080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-83648922529702547912019-08-14T07:44:08.542-07:002019-08-14T07:44:08.542-07:00The studio version played over the montage at 1:04...The studio version played over the montage at 1:04:30 in The Grateful Dead Movie is a remix, I think of the single version. The stereo separation is narrowed and the EQ is a lot less harsh. Sounds a lot better I think. More like the Jefferson Airplane songs of the time. The original mix is hollow in the middle. I wish they would release this remix, because in the movie there are sound effects Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15180036766802279080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-968996285154312852016-11-17T23:42:42.906-08:002016-11-17T23:42:42.906-08:00I heard them play golden road at a kings beach bow...I heard them play golden road at a kings beach bowl at Lake Tahoe in summer of 1967....<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16929136972145961484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-33867725664275083802016-02-03T15:45:04.852-08:002016-02-03T15:45:04.852-08:00While Garcia drastically reimagined Aoxomoxoa in h...While Garcia drastically reimagined Aoxomoxoa in his 1971 remix, Phil went in a similar direction and made Anthem somewhat cleaner and less trippy in his remix. Some comments on it here: <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7HA1wA3ZeI <br />Phil added a big closing chord to Born Cross-Eyed, which they should've done on the original album (they did put a different crashing feedback ending Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-79260522389574788032016-02-02T20:41:19.464-08:002016-02-02T20:41:19.464-08:00BTW - there are three mixes of Born Cross Eyed
7&q...BTW - there are three mixes of Born Cross Eyed<br />7" mix - Apr68<br />Orig album mix - Jul68<br />Remix album version - 72 (remixed by Lesh fall 71 but probably not entering pressing and distribution stream until 72)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-64897384165248612172016-02-02T20:16:46.809-08:002016-02-02T20:16:46.809-08:00To my ears it's a fold down, which still gives...To my ears it's a fold down, which still gives it a different sonic feel and different mastering. I just wanted to add this info because I think this site is a great resource.<br /><br />Reverb across a master is another item added by some engineers while mastering at the plant. In some cases from that era, it may or may not be added the same way or at all for a later pressing. (As opposed toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-47273584918010105962016-02-02T19:31:57.953-08:002016-02-02T19:31:57.953-08:00It's interesting to hear that the mono mix may...It's interesting to hear that the mono mix may just be a fold-down rather than a separate mix from the 4-track, but that certainly would have saved time. I haven't read any details about the mono mix. <br />Jefferson Airplane, just a couple months earlier, had a separate mono mix of Surrealistic Pillow with much less reverb than the stereo mix - I suppose that was the producer's Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-63002903080574493102016-02-02T14:49:28.578-08:002016-02-02T14:49:28.578-08:00Remastering can be funny that way because EQ and e...Remastering can be funny that way because EQ and even varispeed was added in that period. Dead ALT mixes tend to be obvious (c.f. the next two albums). I have 70s copies of E72 and the Sugar Mag 7" (taken from E72) and they sound at first like different mixes because the single was so muddy. But the 7" outro has the telltale Donna duet and is from the Paris show (albeit heavily edited).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-55677758780814291022016-02-02T14:40:36.006-08:002016-02-02T14:40:36.006-08:00I used vinyl for the comparison as digital would b...I used vinyl for the comparison as digital would be a further remastering anyway.<br />I also A/B'd the album. I think Garcia must have meant they supervised while a fold-down was made to mono (std in 67 in the US) because the ratios/sliders are the same. With a mix like this, multiple tracks would have been bounced down to work to 4-track while recording was ongoing, making it unlikely (esp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-87130491755846857402016-02-01T17:34:40.199-08:002016-02-01T17:34:40.199-08:00Good point. Listening again (I don't have the ...Good point. Listening again (I don't have the original vinyl, just what's available digitally), I couldn't point out any specific mixing differences, just a more phased and murky sound on the single version; so it's likely the single & album are just different masterings of the same mix. <br />The single version does sound notably different, though, distinctly "watery.&Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-58878112260549854652016-02-01T06:33:54.625-08:002016-02-01T06:33:54.625-08:00Listened to the Golden Road "versions". ...Listened to the Golden Road "versions". I'm thinking it's not a different mix, just mastered separately from the album - probably by a different engineer maybe at a different plant. All were common at the time. Since the band worked on it separately and specifically as a single, it's unlikely they would have spent studio time remixing it for the LP, as opposed to just addingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-72563152261222917812016-01-26T23:22:20.763-08:002016-01-26T23:22:20.763-08:00Garcia & others commented on the Golden Road r...Garcia & others commented on the Golden Road recording session in a couple of radio interviews in early '67. <br /><br />With Larry Miller, March '67 - <br />Garcia: This was recorded after we recorded the body of the album, and the actual song is a new song; we were thinking specifically of a single, so we just played around, and came up with some nice changes and cooperated on the Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-62799428629944978892016-01-14T15:58:56.222-08:002016-01-14T15:58:56.222-08:00Bob Matthews remembers the Golden Road recording s...Bob Matthews remembers the Golden Road recording session, after the rest of the album was done, "at the old Coast Recorders at 960 Bush Street. One or two nights, I remember being into the sixties on the number of takes. One of the unique little overdub things: if you listen to the intro and a couple of choruses on the outs, there's some funny little percussion stuff, which is KreutzmannLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-66063365739730615072014-02-10T12:38:53.600-08:002014-02-10T12:38:53.600-08:00Thanks for the links.Thanks for the links.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-48401969088433263582014-02-09T11:48:13.096-08:002014-02-09T11:48:13.096-08:00fyi - the "whicker's world" segments...fyi - the "whicker's world" segments about sf in 1967 w/ gd and others.<br /><br />I-) ihor<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Mr7LrBkWY '' wickers world '' - san francisco - summer 1967 - (pt1of4). (gd sequence is edited out)<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX9uqxQDh0k Grateful Dead - Whicker's World 1967.wmv <br /><br />http://Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-14518434977866077852012-02-13T11:56:35.359-08:002012-02-13T11:56:35.359-08:00Thanks!Thanks!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-89188175262543131232012-02-13T04:34:35.453-08:002012-02-13T04:34:35.453-08:00Somebody posted the "performance" part o...Somebody posted the "performance" part of the Whicker's World video on YouTube a few months ago:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCr-QGzvRS0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCr-QGzvRS0</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-9937596057055725452012-01-06T10:31:21.144-08:002012-01-06T10:31:21.144-08:00You know, I think I'm mistaken about it not be...You know, I think I'm mistaken about it not being available. Wasn't thinking!<br /><br />The youtube page I linked to is from Skeletons from the Closet - it has a more phased, cluttered sound, especially noticeable in the solo. <br />If I had a copy of Skeletons I could say for sure, but it's quite possible that the most recent CD reissue uses the 2001-remastered album mix, and the Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-56004145932389798032012-01-06T02:45:52.771-08:002012-01-06T02:45:52.771-08:00Was it on any of the LP compilations or is just a ...Was it on any of the LP compilations or is just a total rarity (like the 7" take of Music Never Stopped with extra Donna bridge & 7" of Dancin in the Streets with extra horn section)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-13783971377817789722011-11-02T19:39:08.172-07:002011-11-02T19:39:08.172-07:00Not that I know of, unfortunately.Not that I know of, unfortunately.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-89207201749571369652011-11-02T18:51:30.519-07:002011-11-02T18:51:30.519-07:00Is the 7" single mix of "Golden Road&quo...Is the 7" single mix of "Golden Road" available on CD?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-59760425037033338412011-10-14T08:35:40.885-07:002011-10-14T08:35:40.885-07:00There is a need for a good compilation of the Dead...There is a need for a good compilation of the Dead's early videos - there are lots of bits & pieces that are rather scattered, some not easy to find.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-508596483308849125.post-38072073123353608012011-10-13T11:23:37.732-07:002011-10-13T11:23:37.732-07:00I have a good copy of the complete Whickers World ...I have a good copy of the complete Whickers World on video (which I converted to dvd), I'm gonna try to put it out there. On the same video, I also have the unedited complete press conference from their first bust in '67, as well as some other very nice old stuff that I found in a video sale and was labelled "Grateful Dead Scrapbook". Great find of which I have no idea how it Ariellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15217024397796056858noreply@blogger.com