Following up on our previous attempts at identifying people
in the Grateful Dead world (on the
Aoxomoxoa and
Rolling Thunder album covers), I have used the 50th Anniversary of the October 1974 Winterland run and
the posting of the Grateful Dead Movie to YouTube to put together a key to the
band, crew, fans, and others who show up in the movie but who are basically
uncredited.
I have also put together a key to which songs came from
which show.
Many people shown here have not been identified. If you know
anyone not named, or if we have made a mistake, please let us know in the comments!
PART 1: THE BAND
1. Jerry Garcia
3. Phil Lesh
4. Bill Kreutzmann
5. Keith Godchaux
6. Donna Godchaux
7. Mickey Hart (Mickey
only played on 10/20/74, which Bill was not happy about as we learned in his
2015 autobiography “Deal.”)
8. Ned Lagin (Ned
played with Phil Lesh during the Seastones set for 23 shows from 6/23/74 to
10/20/74. Ned also played on other songs such as the Seastones-Dark
Star-Morning Dew set on 10/18/74. He is only seen a few times in the movie, and
never was announced as an official band member.)
9. John Perry Barlow,
Bob’s lyricist. (This interview took place at Bob’s house in Marin County.)
(Robert Hunter
does not appear in the movie – he may have been in England at the time.)
PART 2: THE CREW
10. Steve Parish,
who was Jerry’s guitar tech.
12. Lawrence “Ramrod”
Shurtliff. He was the drum tech and de facto leader of the crew.
13. Mark “Sparky”
Raizene (with Bill Graham)
14. Joe Winslow (and Steve)
15. Bill “Kidd”
Candelario (and Joe)
16. Rex Jackson. He would die in a car accident in 1976; the Rex Foundation would later be named for him. He only appears for fleeting moments in the movie.
17. Dan Healy. He would become the soundman
for the Dead until he was let go in 1994.
18. A crew member (behind Bill Graham). We previously thought
this might be John Meyer, who was in Switzerland that year, but now we’re not sure. (He’s also
spotted at the roadie nitrous party with Parish and Sparky.)
19. Betty
Cantor-Jackson (with baby Cole Jackson, Rex’s son). She was involved in
sound and recordings, though not for these shows. “I have my hands full.”
20. Rock Scully,
seen backstage. He was one of the managers; I’m not sure of his status in 1974.
21. Ron Rakow,
president of Grateful Dead Records and executive producer of the movie.
22. George Mundy, Mission Control electronics designer.
23. Piano tuner, seen working on Ned Lagin’s keyboard.
24. John Hagen
25-28. Unidentified crew members – some may be BGP employees, or hired hands.
#26 may be Eddie Washington (a producer of the Grateful Dead Movie who later worked for Grateful Dead ticket sales).
29. A shot of three roadies unloading the speakers – two of
them also seen above, but the guy in pink may be Richie Pechner.
30. Steve Brown of Grateful Dead Records, seen backstage near the end – wearing the Mars Hotel shirt.
31. The music recording crew taping the shows – Bill Wolf and Gene Eichelberger are listed in the credits (though I don’t know if
they’re in this shot). In the movie you can spot various guys in the film crew
with headphones hidden by the side of the stage, but none get a closeup.
32. Two Dead associates talking with Garcia before the
shows - Steve Brown on the left, Boots on the right.
The movie wasn’t intended to document everyone who worked at
these shows, so many associates of the Dead (such as Danny Rifkin or Owsley)
never appear.
PART 3: BILL GRAHAM
PRESENTS
34. Bill Graham,
the promoter.
36. Unknown BGP employee, manning the side door.
37. Unknown BGP employee, keeping the guest list.
38. Unknown BGP employee after the show
39. Winterland concession stand seller who likes Sha Na Na.
40. Willie, who
did security at the Fillmore and Winterland.
41-43. More security guards
PART 4: THE DEADHEADS
This is a selective list, including mainly those with notable parts or some interaction with the band.
44. John Williams,
a calm fan engaged in a discussion of the movie with…
45. Sam Hughes,
who is irate about the intrusion of the cameras during this run.
46. Greg, singing on the
rail during U.S. Blues.
47. “Iggy,” a fan
who recites poetry about the Grateful Dead.
48. Mike Cohen,
interviewed about the old days.
49. Fan reminiscing about the old days at the Fillmore.
49b. Michael Starr, trying to get his space together outside.
50. Jeff Levy,
who was doing some electrical work at Bob Weir’s house and who eventually made
it backstage.
51. A gal supposedly from New York with no ticket, who was
not let in.
52. Tamea (Bonnie's daughter), who hands flowers to Garcia from the crowd.
54. Keith and a fan, after the last show.
And some dancers...
55. Dancer in the crowd during the spacey Other One jam from
10/17/74 (listed as “He’s Gone” in the movie credits but it is from the jam
after He’s Gone, which is part of the 30-minute Other One). I met this woman
near the front of the line at the Greek Theater in July of 1984. Someone asked
her if she was in the Grateful Dead Movie and she said she was.
56. Onstage dancer behind Garcia during US Blues and One
More Saturday Night.
57. Onstage dancer by Keith’s piano during Eyes of the
World.
58. Mary Ann Mayer, dancing onstage by Bill’s drums during Sugar Magnolia.
59. And some li'l tots.
PART 5: OTHER
60. This guy was leading the camera crew upstairs from a
party. I don’t know if he worked for BGP, the Dead crew, or the movie crew.
61. This lady is briefly seen on the stairs – she was likely
associated with the Dead, since she’s wearing the Mars Hotel shirt.
62. Lady next to Steve Parish sharing nitrous with the
roadies.
63. Two unknown guys backstage, talking with Scully and
Garcia.
64. Lady getting food backstage – we only see her back. She
ignores Garcia.
65. Another lady hanging out backstage.
66. There are some other people around the couch backstage but
they’re barely seen. This first guy may be Igor, from the Olompali "Chosen Family."
67. This woman with a camera was next to Jerry Garcia during
his interview for the movie. She doesn’t show up in the regular movie, but she
was shown during the “Dead at the Movies” event in the bonus interview footage.
She is sitting close to Jerry on the couch and taking photos of him. (Lemieux:
“No idea who she was.”)
68. "Angelo," a Hells Angel who is advised to take off his “colors”
during the show.
69. Otis, Bob’s
dog. He got a shout out at the 1980 Radio City run during Ripple. (Another dog
briefly appears in Winterland when the crew’s setting up the Wall of Sound, but
it isn’t Otis.)
Tickets for 10/20/74 had “THE LAST ONE” stamped on them (and
the band was printed as “Greateful Dead”). One audience member recalls, “They
handed them out as we left Winterland after the show.”
But the DVD menu for the movie includes a photo of a ticket
for 10/19 also stamped “THE LAST ONE”…
* * *
GRATEFUL DEAD MOVIE
SONGS
In an earlier project, I was having trouble figuring out
which songs in the movie came from which show. And there were confusing things
in the credits—for example, He’s Gone was listed, but I never recalled seeing
that in the movie (turns out it was actually the jam at the beginning of The
Other One, which came out of a jam after He’s Gone).
I could not find any online resource for determining which
songs are from which night, so I used the DVD and the setlists to figure it
out. In some cases, a song was only played on one night, such as Morning Dew on
10/18. But other songs were played on multiple nights. Hence, some detective
work was required!
The biggest clues come from Bob Weir's clothing, which
varied from night to night. Also some songs are distinctive: Johnny B. Goode
was played on 10/16 and 10/20, but the 10/20 performance has Mickey Hart, who
is shown in the movie on that song. Thus, we know that the song is from 10/20
and we also know what Bob Weir is wearing that night.
I made a key to the songs that identify which show each song
is from. Note that the extra songs on the DVD disc 2 are labeled in the
credits.
Key, based on clothing:
Jerry Garcia wears
a black T-shirt and jeans for all five shows.
Bob Weir has a
tucked in white shirt on 10/16/74; blue shirt on 10/17/74; white shirt with
loose sleeves on 10/18/74; white shirt with a loose collar on 10/19/74; and a
long-sleeve white shirt on 10/20/74.
Phil Lesh has a
pale blue T-shirt on 10/16/74; a white T-shirt on 10/17/74; a pale blue T-shirt
on 10/18/74; an orange or rust-colored T-shirt on 10/19/74; and a white T-shirt
with a design on it on 10/20/74.
Bill Kreutzmann
has a dark shirt on 10/16/74; a blue shirt with short sleeves on 10/17/74; a
long-sleeve blue shirt on 10/18/74; a gray shirt on 10/19/74; and a blue
T-shirt on 10/20/74.
Donna Godchaux has
a red shirt on 10/16/74; she's not shown on 10/17/74; a Skull and Roses tank
top on 10/18/74 and 10/19/74, and a white tank top on 10/20/74.
Keith Godchaux has
a gray shirt on 10/16/74 and 10/17/74; a gray shirt with blue shoulders on
10/18/74 and 10/19/74; and a dark blue long-sleeve shirt on 10/20/74.
Mickey Hart only
plays on 10/20/74.
Ned Lagin is shown
during Morning Dew and Dark Star on 10/18/74 and during Johnny B. Goode on
10/20/74.
Songs From Each Show:
10/16/74: Playing in
the Band. Identified based on the clothing choices of Donna, Bobby, and
Keith that they only wore this day.
10/17/74: Casey
Jones, China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider, He's Gone jam, The Other One,
Stella Blue, Sugar Magnolia. Identified based on the bonus disc and Bobby's
blue shirt.
10/18/74: Dark Star,
Morning Dew, and Sugaree were
only played on that day. Also, Goin'
Down the Road Feelin' Bad, Weather Report Suite, and U.S. Blues (close-ups only).
At this show, Billy has a long blue sleeve shirt and Bobby has a white shirt
with loose sleeves.
10/19/74: U.S. Blues
(band shots), Uncle John's Band, Scarlet Begonias, Eyes of the World, One More
Saturday Night, Sunshine Daydream, Truckin’. Bobby's shirt has a floppy
collar, Billy has a gray shirt, and Phil has a rusty orange shirt.
10/20/74: Johnny B.
Goode. Only show with Hart. Billy has a blue T-shirt, Donna has a white
tank top.
Interesting facts:
U.S. Blues uses footage from both 10/18/74 (the close-ups)
and 10/19/74 (the band shots). Look for Phil's shirt changing color from white
to rust colored. Supposedly the audio is from 10/18/74, based on the DVD
commentary.
Sugar Magnolia is from 10/17/74, but the Sunshine Daydream
that typically accompanies it is from 10/19/74. Look for Bobby's shirt changing
from blue to white.
The Sage and Spirit (at 24:50) is likely from 10/16/74
soundcheck based on Bobby's shirt.
Phil's demonstration of the bass and the feedback from the
camera is also likely from 10/16 (or possibly during a soundcheck the day
before?), based on the fact that they are tuning the piano and setting up the
Wall of Sound for the first time.
Greg, the shirtless pony-tailed guy with denim overalls, is on the rail during 10/19/74. (He can also be spotted in a scene on the sidewalk outside.)
There is a woman dancing in front of Keith's piano for
several songs during 10/19/74. The side of the stage could be crowded with fans and guests...
Song list:
The Grateful Dead
Movie contains full or partial performances of the following songs:
- "U.S.
Blues" October 18 & 19, 1974 (7:20) (1)
- "One
More Saturday Night" October 19, 1974 (11:15)
- "Going
Down the Road Feeling Bad" October 18, 1974 (17:20)
- "Truckin'"
October 19, 1974 (29:35)
- "Eyes
of the World" October 19, 1974 (38:25)
- "Sugar
Magnolia" October 17 & 19, 1974 (51:40) (2)
- "Playing
in the Band" October 16, 1974 (1:06:50)
- "Stella
Blue" October 17, 1974 (1:27:45)
- "Casey
Jones" October 17, 1974 (1:35:36)
- "Other
One Space” (miscredited as “He’s Gone”) October 17, 1974 (1:42:02)
- "Morning
Dew" October 18, 1974 (with Ned Lagin) (1:50:02)
- "Johnny
B. Goode" October 20, 1974 (with Mickey Hart & Ned Lagin) (2:06:10)
The DVD bonus disc includes the following full performances:
- "Uncle
John's Band" October 19, 1974
- "Sugaree"
October 18, 1974
- "The
Other One"> October 17, 1974
- "Spanish
Jam"> October 17, 1974
- "Mind
Left Body Jam"> October 17, 1974
- "The
Other One" October 17, 1974
- "Scarlet
Begonias" October 19, 1974
- "China
Cat Sunflower"> October 17, 1974
- "I
Know You Rider" October 17, 1974
- "Dark
Star" October 18, 1974
- "Weather
Report Suite" October 18, 1974
Song notes:
(1) Close-ups and audio from October 18; wide
shots from October 19.
(2) Most of the song is from October 17
but the "Sunshine Daydream" coda is from October 19.
David Lemieux: “They didn’t shoot all five nights complete. They
shot a couple of songs the first night – the Playing in the Band is a notable
one, it’s in the movie. And then the second, third, and fourth shows, they
filmed quite a bit, probably about 50 or 60% of each of those shows, and then
the final night, they shot about half as well, maybe a little less than half.
The focus was getting at least – if they were doing, let’s say China>Rider,
they played it twice during this run – they got a really great one in the can,
filmed on October 17
th the second show; when they went into it on
the fifth night on October 20
th, they didn’t film it, they just shut
the cameras off, because they already had a really great version of
China>Rider in the can.” (
from “Office Chat: The Grateful Dead Movie Turns 50”)
Lemieux has said, "There is enough footage that at
least two hours of songs could be edited into another DVD... There was a huge
amount of backstage footage in dressing rooms, etc, that would make another
great 30-40 minute documentary...plus longer chunks of the Garcia and Weir
interviews."
* * *
SETLISTS
Shown in movie
Shown in bonus clips
10/16/74
Set 1:
Bertha, Jack Straw, Deal, Mexicali Blues, It Must Have Been
The Roses, Beat It On Down The Line, Scarlet Begonias, Me And Bobby McGee,
Tennessee Jed, Cumberland Blues, Row Jimmy, Playing
In The Band
Set 2:
Seastones > Jam > Wharf Rat > Space > Eyes Of
The World, Big River, Ship Of Fools, Truckin' > Goin' Down The Road Feelin'
Bad > Uncle John's Band, Johnny B. Goode
Encore:
U.S. Blues
10/17/74
Set 1:
Promised Land, Mississippi Half Step, Black Throated Wind,
Friend Of The Devil, Jack Straw, Loser, El Paso, China
Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider, Me And My Uncle, It Must Have Been
The Roses, Weather Report Suite Prelude > Weather Report Suite Part 1 > Let It Grow
Seastones
Set 2:
Scarlet Begonias, Big River, Ramble On Rose, Mexicali Blues,
He's Gone > Jam > The Other One >
Spanish Jam > Mind Left Body Jam > The Other One > Stella Blue, Sugar
Magnolia
Encore:
Casey Jones, U.S. Blues
10/18/74
Set 1:
Around And Around, Sugaree,
Mexicali Blues, Peggy-O, Beat It On Down The Line, Brown Eyed Women, Cumberland
Blues, El Paso, Tennessee Jed, Jack Straw, Row Jimmy, Weather
Report Suite Prelude > Weather Report Suite Part 1 > Let It Grow
Set 2:
Seastones > Jam > Dark
Star > Morning Dew
Set 3:
Promised Land > Bertha > Greatest Story Ever Told,
Ship Of Fools, Not Fade Away > Goin' Down The
Road Feelin' Bad > One More Saturday Night
Encore:
U.S. Blues
10/19/74
Set 1:
Mississippi Half Step, Me And My Uncle, Friend Of The Devil,
Beat It On Down The Line, It Must Have Been The Roses, El Paso, Loose Lucy,
Black Throated Wind, Scarlet Begonias, To
Lay Me Down, Mama Tried *, Eyes Of The World
> China Doll, Big River
Seastones
Set 2:
Uncle John's Band, Big
Railroad Blues, The Race Is On, Tomorrow Is Forever *, Mexicali Blues, Dire
Wolf, Sugar Magnolia > He's Gone > Truckin' Jam > Caution Jam >
Drums > Truckin' > Black Peter, Sunshine Daydream
Encore:
One More Saturday Night, U.S. Blues
10/20/74
Set 1:
Cold Rain And Snow *, Mama Tried, Deal, Beat It On Down The
Line, Loser, Jack Straw, Tennessee Jed, El Paso, Brokedown Palace, China Cat
Sunflower > I Know You Rider, Around And Around
Seastones
Set 2:
Playing In The Band > Drums > Not Fade Away > Drums
> The Other One > Wharf Rat > Playing In The Band
Set 3:
Good Lovin' *, It Must Have Been The Roses, Promised Land,
Eyes Of The World > Stella Blue, Sugar Magnolia
Encore:
Johnny B. Goode,
Mississippi Half Step > And We Bid You Good Night
* only 1974
performance
* * *
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If you recognize anyone in the movie, please comment!
ReplyDeleteI work with John Meyer and, while I can't be 100% certain, I am pretty sure that isn't him in picture 18.
DeleteWhat about the guy with the lysergic stare early in the film?
ReplyDeleteErr....which one?
DeleteA timestamp helps to locate people in the film.
I'm not going to go back to the film but I know EXACTLY who he means. There's a long closeup of his face in the audience and he is so tripping during a spacey jam . . .
Delete#46, Greg singing and bopping on the rail…..I kinda always thought this guy was ALSO the naked scaffolding dude at the Nancy’s benefit show (Sunshine Daydream movie). Can anyone confirm or deny?
ReplyDeleteThat is not the same guy. Naked Pole Guy does have the same name apparently, but it isn't him. Gregor Gable is the guy.
Delete#22 - George Mundy, Mission Control electronics designer
ReplyDelete#30 & #32 (on left) - Steve Brown of Grateful Dead Records
#58 - not 100% sure, but Mary Ann Mayer, I think
#53: Marty, as per this absolute YouTube gem: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jz9TcrvOkbA
ReplyDeleteThanks for the IDs! I'll keep updating the post (although the actual photo labels will stay the same).
ReplyDeleteBTW, Dead scholar Harry Angus is currently raising funds to print his book The Encyclopedia of Jerry Garcia Music Venues, documenting all the locations where Garcia played. Check it out:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/garciamusicvenues/the-encyclopedia-of-jerry-garcia-music-venues-0?ref=project_build
This is phenomenal – thank you! Some stray thoughts. Could Keith’s friend (#54) be one and the same with the piano-adjacent dancer (#57)?
ReplyDeleteAnother fantastic source for consideration in your reference list: https://www.dead.net/deadcast/mars-hotel-50-ship-fools
According to an interview in that episode (circa 1:02:10), #35 is Jerry Pompili, house manager at Winterland.
I’d propose “Just Trying to Get My Space Together” Man for the list. 36:50 in the film.
All of us have our favorite cameos, so I’ll refrain from suggesting like a dozen more folks to add to this. Again, fabulous work. Peace.
Someone identified a few people on the Deadcast page. "Trying to get my space together" is "Our dear departed friend Michael Starr. I met him for the first time, up front and center, with his pal Groovy on 10/20/1974. Bonnie’s daughter Tamea is the little girl giving Garcia that bunch of roses"
DeleteThanks for the tips! I added that guy.
DeleteNo, 54's a different lady from 57. It looks like the stage was a free-for-all by the end of the 20th with fans all over the stage.
This won't be too helpful but Fan #49 (reminiscing . . ) - I think he went by Toad or Frog. He was a friend of friends and we all shared hotel rooms in Alaska in 1980. They were also friends with Greg at the rail in the movie, but Greg wasn't in Alaska. (Toad/Frog was the one who first told us the Dead were going to play an extended run at the Warfield in the Fall - and play an acoustic set, which was mind-blowing news)
ReplyDeleteThis was posted by me, Jay - I wasn't logged in.
DeleteShowing those tickets reminds me - my first Winterland shows were October 1978 (home from Egypt) and they didn't give you a ticket stub to save, they just took the whole ticket. I have all or most of my ticket stubs for the Dead shows and others but none from Winterland.
ReplyDeleteYeah, as far as I know people didn't keep their original tickets from Winterland, the "LAST ONE" tickets were extra stamped souvenirs handed out after the last show.
Delete'John Williams' is Willy Legate, isn't he? He seems to fit McNally's (possibly slightly unfair!) description as 'tall and stooped, with an enormous head, a bulging forehead, and thick glasses' in Long Strange Trip. Dead.net credits Legate with coining the 'There's nothing like a Grateful Dead concert' slogan (https://www.dead.net/features/news/remembering-willy-legate). And then there's that smirk on his face when he gives the angry kid his 'name'... Excellent post all the same, and love the blog! - Liam J.
ReplyDeleteOh and I think the first guy under 66 may be Alan Trist! Certainly looks like a younger version of the Trist interviewed in the Long Strange Trip doc. - Liam J.
DeleteThose are interesting theories, but I disagree -- I don't think Legate or Trist appear in the film.
DeleteAbout 10 years ago on the Allman Brothers Band message board (official website), I had a private conversation with a guy who knew Sam Hughes (the irate fellow). Apparently Sam was more of a Led Zeppelin fan than a Deadhead. I was also told that Sam was in extremely poor health. And since that conversation was at least 10 years ago, he’s probably no longer with us.
ReplyDeleteHow long did Sparky remain in the Grateful Dead crew? He’s also in the Fillmore movie (1972). Was he still with the crew in the 80s and 90s? And if not what happened to him?
ReplyDeleteI don't think I've seen a word about what Sparky was up to after 1974.
DeleteSparky’s departure from the Dead crew coincided with the end of the Wall of Sound era. By late ‘74/early ‘75 he went on to do his own thing.
ReplyDeleteI think #26 might be Eddie Washington, a producer on the Grateful Dead Movie. Here he is in '76: https://www.gdao.org/items/show/831461
ReplyDeleteInteresting catch! Information on him seems to be scarce.
DeleteGreetings, LiA, and I hope you're enjoying the new releases of 11/18/66 and 8/5/67.
ReplyDeleteI wonder who copied those tapes back in the '70s (probably from Bill Graham's tape stash) and what else they might have copied...
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