December 28, 2010

Jerry Garcia & Surrealistic Pillow

I was spurred to write this by a fellow Dead researcher:
http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/12/garcia-on-jefferson-airplane.html
It seemed like it would be useful to have a thorough review of Garcia’s involvement in Surrealistic Pillow.

Garcia was listed as the “Musical and Spiritual Adviser” on the back cover when it was released in February ’67. Though perhaps meant to be tongue-in-cheek, it’s actually quite a serious indication of Garcia’s high standing (at least among the Jefferson Airplane). Hidden behind that vague credit, Garcia did quite a bit of work on the Airplane’s album, a couple months before the Dead even entered the studio – in fact, he spent more time on Surrealistic Pillow than he did recording the Dead’s first album!
This is even more surprising since the Airplane were comparative veterans of the studio, compared to Garcia. They had almost as much playing experience as the Dead – they’d formed just a few months later than the Warlocks, gotten a record contract with RCA much earlier, and were already the most successful band in San Francisco, thanks in part to a first album (Takes Off) which had captured lots of attention.
The Dead, meanwhile, had only just signed up with Warner Brothers in September ’66 and wouldn’t record for a few more months. Garcia’s only known studio experience was a few sessions & demos with Autumn Records back in ’65, and a disappointing attempt at recording a single in June ‘66. (His early studio work is actually mostly unknown, really. When asked later on about his pre-Dead recordings, Garcia vaguely replied, “I did some various sessions around San Francisco. Demos and stuff like that.” I haven’t seen any more definite information!)
On the other hand, the Airplane looked up to Garcia as a guitar player and musician. They had not been too happy with their first album (just as the Dead would later feel!), and felt they needed extra help making things run smoothly in the studio. They had also been going through changes – new drummer Spencer Dryden had joined in July ’66, and singer Grace Slick had just joined them in mid-October, only a couple weeks before they started the album sessions. So it’s likely they were still pulling new material together when it came time to record.

Garcia was asked about Surrealistic Pillow in a mid-’67 interview – the interviewer enthused about How Do You Feel: “Yeah, I played flattop on that. I didn’t play flattop in My Best Friend. Skip Spence did – he wrote the song. Let’s see, on Today I played the high guitar line, and I played on Plastic Fantastic, and I played on Comin’ Back To Me… I’m fond of the songs that Grace is in: I like Rabbit a lot, I like Someone to Love – the original on the album is more or less my arrangement, I kind of rewrote it. I’ve always liked the song she used to do with the Great Society, but it didn’t have - the chord changes weren’t very interesting.”
This is the Great Society’s version of Somebody to Love, pre-Garcia:
Studio - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzyDLwUgFdc
Live - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SB11giesKc

(In the same interview, he was asked about the ‘San Francisco Sound’: “I’m not sure what they mean by that. There’s a similarity in the sound…but there’s not really that much similarity in the music… Each of the bands sounds as different from each other as they do from everybody else. The San Francisco music scene is healthier and there’s more stuff going on than there is anyplace else… We all steal freely from each other, we all play together, we’re all friends, we spend a lot of time with each other, we all listen to each other, we’ve all gotten good together, we’ve all improved over the past year or so...playing gigs, getting together and jamming.”)

Garcia later said, “The Airplane thought it would be helpful to have somebody there who could communicate to their producer… And since they all knew me and I understood their music and understood pretty much what they were doing at the time, it would be far-out. I went down there and hung out and was a sort of go-between between them and their producer. I helped out with some arrangements and stuff – I just hung out.”

The Airplane felt Garcia did more than just hang out!
Paul Kantner said, “We had an RCA producer, but Garcia did the art side of it.”
And Jorma Kaukonen said, “Jerry could be credited with really being the producer…in that he was one of us and he knew what to do with the band… He really was the producer who arranged those songs.”
The RCA producer was Rick Jarrard - the Airplane hadn’t liked the producer on their first album, but again they used engineer Dave Hassinger (whom the Dead would work with later).

As Kantner told the story: “Our first album had been made rather restrictive by RCA and we were sort of unhappy with the results, and we needed to get more communication between us and the studio, and in some idiotic fancy of mine, we figured Jerry Garcia would be the person to communicate some of the things we were trying to accomplish in the studio. So [the engineer] would know that Jack's bass should make the board smoke. Smoke comes out of the board, put another fuse in; don't try to damp it down…
"We would be rehearsing something out in the studio, [Garcia] would say, 'I have a nice little part that would work in there; maybe you should play this.' And he would pick up his guitar and go boom, 'Why don't you play that?' and he would play it so good that we said, 'Why don't you play it? It sounds really good and we can't play it better than that. Come on, help us out here.'
"But mostly he was there to serve as sort of a buffer zone between us and the other side of the window. A lot of what we were trying to do, both sound-wise and lyric-wise was eased quite a bit by his very gentlemanly manner. He was not harsh, not abrasive…”

Ironically, the actual producer denied that Garcia was there at all!
Rick Jarrard said, “Jerry Garcia was never present on any of those sessions. Jerry Garcia played no guitar on that album. I never met Jerry Garcia. I produced that album from start to finish, never heard from Jerry Garcia, never talked to Jerry Garcia. He was not involved creatively on that album at all.”

Nonetheless, Garcia is listed as playing guitar on RCA’s session paperwork.
He played the high lead part on Today - he also played guitar on Plastic Fantastic Lover, How Do You Feel, and Comin’ Back To Me - he also played on JPP McStep B Blues and In the Morning, which weren’t included on the album – and he also rearranged Somebody to Love. (All this aside from musical suggestions which went undocumented.) By the band’s admission, this was clearly more than casual session work – Garcia was virtually a band-member! It’s likely that he wasn’t given any music credit on the album since he was now a Warner Brothers artist, while the Airplane were on RCA; so the band may have preferred him to work officially ‘undercover’.
(As an aside, though it’s been thought that Garcia played guitar on My Best Friend, we have his word it was Skip Spence – which is curious, because Skip by then was long out of the band, and already playing in Moby Grape.)

The recording sessions went through November 1966 – though the Dead had shows on the weekends, apparently Garcia would fly down to Los Angeles for the Airplane’s weekday recording sessions. It’s clear he attended every session he could, from start to finish, and he must have stayed with the Airplane extensively between sessions while they were in L.A.

Here’s the rundown:
Oct 31 (Mon) – they started with She Has Funny Cars and My Best Friend, without Garcia. (The Dead were playing the “Dance of Death Costume Ball” in San Francisco that day.)
Nov 1 (Tues) – Garcia joined them, and played on Plastic Fantastic Lover.
Nov 2 (Wed) - he played on Today.
Nov 3 (Thu) - White Rabbit, redone from the Great Society’s version.
Nov 4 (Fri) - 3/5 of a Mile, without Garcia – the Dead were playing at the Avalon that night.
(Then there was a break in the sessions for shows in San Francisco & Vancouver.)
Nov 14 (Mon) – recording continued with JPP McStep B Blues, with Garcia playing, and How Do You Feel. (Garcia’s memory might be off when he recalled playing on this song too, but he was definitely at the session that day.)
Nov 15 (Tues) – DCBA-25, and the newly rearranged Somebody to Love.
Nov 16 (Wed) – Comin’ Back To Me, with Garcia playing. (Marty Balin wrote this song during the sessions, and recorded it right away with just Garcia, Slick, and Casady.)
Nov 17 (Thu) – Go To Her (remake of old song, no Garcia involvement, not included on album).
Nov 21 (Mon) – In the Morning, with Garcia playing.
Nov 22 (Tues) – Embryonic Journey.
At some point, Garcia apparently called the music “as surrealistic as a pillow,” thus inspiring the album title.
The sessions wrapped there, and the Airplane returned to San Francisco to play a run of shows at the Fillmore from Nov 25-27 (some of which has just been released, with the Surrealistic Pillow songs still fresh in the sets).

Jorma Kaukonen had many admiring words for Garcia’s role in this album. “He’s definitely in the mix and an important part of the band on those tracks. When I got into the Airplane, I didn’t have a clue about what an electric guitar was except that you plugged it in and it was louder. Jerry was way ahead of all of us in that. Jerry was his own electric guitar player from the jump.”
“When he worked with us on Surrealistic Pillow, he really helped discipline us. Because he had come from a band, and as a band leader and as an arranger, he just really knew what was important. He was really important in the formation of that record, and I know that personally he taught me a lot about playing in a band. I remember one evening he said to us, ‘It’s not what you play. It’s what you don’t play that’s important.’ In terms of dynamics and just plain letting the music speak for itself. As a band leader, he was really ahead of the rest of us.”

(Though Kaukonen may be exaggerating a bit in hindsight, it’s interesting how close this is to David Crosby’s statements about recording If I Could Only Remember My Name, when Garcia played a very similar role as a kind of co-producer – “Jerry Garcia is responsible for that record a very great deal. He was there night after night after night…thinking, listening, talking - you know, acting as a friend, saying ‘Hmmm, man, what if you, how did you, why don't you try a little more, and....’ And he would play. He played on a lot of stuff.”)

David Freiberg said, “He sure did help the Airplane with Surrealistic Pillow. I don’t know what that would have been without him. He was on every track, pretty near. I can hear him playing on Today. I always thought the sweetness that got put on that whole album never would have been there if it wasn’t for him. Because it wasn’t on any other album they ever did.”

December 3, 2010

Jerry Garcia Interview Links

For some time I’ve lamented that there isn’t a complete archive of Jerry Garcia interviews online. Many interviews in old publications are now more or less inaccessible – a few have been reprinted; a few others have been transcribed online; a few circulate in audio.
So I’ve decided to at least take a small step and try compiling links to the various interviews available to read or hear online. This list is just a start, and is meant to be a work in progress – I hope readers can suggest other interviews I’ve missed, so I can make additions.

This list is not meant to cover what’s available in books or DVDs – it’s a list of weblinks, not a bibliography. I was hesitant to include youtube videos; but there’s a lot of good material there. I drew the line, though, at listing every ten-second snippet!
I also (somewhat arbitrarily) decided not to include torrent downloads, only things that can be streamed, but many audio interviews can also be found on Lossless Legs.
An ever-growing text collection of Garcia interviews up to 1975 is also included on this site:
http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2012/08/index-of-articles.html 
This list is arranged by date – I tried to list the actual interview dates, but sometimes had to settle for publication date.

UPDATED March 2018 with some youtube interviews added (and others deleted). I'm sure I've missed or forgotten other items online, so it would be appreciated if people could point out some of those!

July '64 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJfdPThgD4 (Mother McCree's interview)

Spring ’67 - http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-XX-XX.sbd.bershaw.5419.shnf (Audio)
(Several copies are also up on youtube, for instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuSGHiQf-n0) 

May '70 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpJUZn_G6og (brief video interview in England - excerpt also available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzvUgR4CRvE ) 

'70 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_g2GWeAgYQ (Audio - Grateful Dead radio interview) - link dead

9/70 -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UZZAPWHjlA (Audio - Grateful Dead interview with Alex Bennett on WMCA-AM, New York) - link dead
Also at: https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/rv042t04f?locale=en

10/11/70 - http://www.itkowitz.com/mam1965text.php?aid=260 (by Jay Itkowitz, for Action World) - link dead

Feb ‘71 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/garcia-in-JazzPop-mag-Feb71 (by David Bromberg)

6/21/71 (has French voiceover) - taken off youtube; may be available elsewhere?

Summer/Fall ’71 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/72-rs-interview (by Charles Reich & Jann Wenner; published in Signpost to New Space)
Also part here: http://www.jannswenner.com/archives/jerry_garcia_part1.aspx 

4/11/72 - http://www.muthergrumble.co.uk/issue05/mg0523.htm

April ‘72 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU30HpQlV94 (very short, only a minute)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqoEI0k0q8I (brief Danish TV bit, from same interview)
5/7/72 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7eh6NDAR-s (brief preshow interview)

'73 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yivr8a9cioc (brief Hell's Angels documentary clip)

6/7/73 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gm8nqWUZso  (Audio - by Dennis McNally; mostly about early scene, Neal Cassady) - link dead, but probably available in the "Jerry on Jerry" audiobook.

Oct ’73 - http://www.theuncool.com/journalism/grateful-dead-circus-magazine/
Jan ’74 - http://www.theuncool.com/journalism/the-grateful-dead-creem-magazine/ (by Cameron Crowe - not straight interviews, but use lots of Garcia quotes)

6/8/74 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTAHRpJieFk (Audio - by Ken Wardell for BAM, backstage at Oakland Stadium)

9/74 - https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/pz50gw084?locale=en (Audio - WPLJ interview, New York)

October '74 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3NqNo7yEA (unreleased interview done for the Grateful Dead Movie) [Dead.net also had an unedited clip of this interview on a "Celebrating Jerry" page a couple years ago] 

3/23/75 - http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-03-23.sbd.snack.18525.flac16 (Audio - preshow interview by James Cameron included)

Spring '75 - https://soundcloud.com/mvyradio/peter-simon-interviews (Audio - by Peter Simon, for WVOI radio) 
https://beta.prx.org/stories/179550 (shorter edit, excerpts with songs added) 

8/6/75 - https://www.wolfgangs.com/music/jerry-garcia/audio/20050256-3264.html?tid=4796387  (Audio - by Mary Travers)

9/22/75 - https://www.wolfgangs.com/music/jerry-garcia/audio/30009-3264.html?tid=49863 (audio)

1/23/76 - https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/jd472w44j?locale=en (Audio - by Bonnie Simmons, on KSAN) 

1/31/76 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUGCzIddFL0 (Audio - by Miles Riley, on KPIX) 

4/1/76 - http://www.relix.com/articles/detail/the_grateful_dead_revisited_a_1976_interview_with_jerry_garcia (by Steve Weitzman, for Relix - also published in Rolling Stone's Garcia tribute book)

1976 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjjsI_RDUBA (Audio - by Ben Fong-Torres for Rolling Stone; in 5 parts, follow links - from the "Got Some Things To Talk About" CD)
https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/0r967373m?locale=en (Audio - Ben Fong-Torres interview, dated c.1975, part 1) 
https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/0c483j36g?locale=en (part 2)

1976 - https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/g732d897c?locale=en (Audio - "What Was That" interview for KSAN)

10/2/77 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj48pFBUuqo (audio)
also here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-wzFBZnEsQ 

3/10/78 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fijoFd8v0 (Audio - radio interview w/ Garcia & Kahn about punk & new-wave bands – great music excerpts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2Vv1zcGmY (longer, unedited)

3/11/78 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZZYCzoFSIw (Audio - radio interview by Andy Gefen, w/ the JGB)

Oct ‘78 - http://www.guitarplayer.com/miscellaneous/1139/gp-flashback--jerry-garcia-october-1978/11702 (by Jon Sievert; excerpts from Guitar Player interview) - link dead
(deadhookforums.com/archive/index.php/t-17932.html had a few short excerpts from later Guitar Player interviews, but the page is now gone)


1/11/79 - https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/5425k9713?locale=en (Audio - WLIR interview with Ray White) 

5/10/79 - https://www.wolfgangs.com/music/jerry-garcia-and-mickey-hart/audio/20052081-37384082.html?tid=4796312 (Audio - with Mickey Hart; for Direct News radio broadcast)

6/10/79 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gUbh02wAo (Audio - Robert Klein radio show)
Also at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWTWF_9_KU0
Also at: http://www.concertvault.com/the-robert-klein-hour/episode-8-june-10-1979.html

11/7/79 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbcqE416lRY (Audio - WMMR radio show, Philadelphia) 

12/6/79 - http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/hear-jerry-garcia-talk-bruce-springsteen-grateful-deads-egypt-visit-20160122 
Audio - https://studsterkel.wfmt.com/programs/discussing-rock-music-and-pop-culture-and-interviewing-member-grateful-dead-jerry-garcia (Studs Terkel/Abe Peck interview, Chicago)
Also at: https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/j6731377h?locale=en 

Oct ‘80 Radio City press conference w/ Weir - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdp_MPqOn5E (pt 1)  

3/28/81 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VccFNwMkr5Q (Audio - hotel room, Essen, Germany) 

5/7/81 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXPdo2M3ivo (Tomorrow Show w/ Tom Snyder - with Ken Kesey & Bob Weir)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kutqwEFPUdU (with the band)
band clip also here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSdmogq1Hrc  (dead links)
& here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO-Q0tGYJiw 
Full interview also at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CRohnpQC_8  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zTrVY80kVo

7/10/81 - http://www.archive.org/details/jg1981-07-10-Interview.shnf (audio, St. Paul hotel interview)
also at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl4sxAG3jH4
& https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UH51rOBfQA

9/7/81 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbtdAWZKLdQ (video)

Oct ’81 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Musician.article.1981 (“In Search of the X Factor” – also includes other Dead interviews from Musician issue)

1982 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTMqbNJwITA (Audio - "A Talk with Jerry Garcia" - by Joe Territo) - link dead
also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLD3EIzONo (Audio - "a Talk with Jerry," part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N11PA-sJF1Y (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf7cqJsfhAw (part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1CY5Qpk1y4 (part 4)

4/9/82 - https://www.wolfgangs.com/music/jerry-garcia/audio/20050252-3264.html?tid=4748644  (Audio - by Lisa Robinson)

5/82 - https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/5425k968s?locale=en (Audio - WRNW interview with Bill Cooper, Westchester NY)

11/8/82 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqItkTk6R-g (Audio - by Bob Coburn, on Rockline radio show) - link dead
https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/v405s9361 (audio)

1/21/83 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBJZSjOhQ2Q (Audio - Santa Rosa 101.7 KVRE FM radio interview)
and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQzfkOPiuaw
and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQADTMieWgY

6/2/83 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-zEcX9_nXM (MTV interview, part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl85mQ49Rlw (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLEjbZxkFe8 (part 3)
Complete 30-minute clip also here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJbL4HD8t_Q
and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4E5GQIZao  

May '84 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN4dI4o9VBA (Audio - Paul Krassner radio interview in Eugene, partly printed in '85) 

Fall ’84 - http://www.denniselsas.com/jerry-garcia/ (Video - “PM Magazine” TV spot by Dennis Elsas - brief Garcia comments used)

Fall '84 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-ZRAAQG84 (Audio - by Alice Kahn, for San Jose Mercury News "West" magazine) 

12/31/84 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfxUvcu_-I (Audio - by Guido Sarducci)
also here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnAIb6hPyuY

1/12/85 - http://jasobrecht.com/jerry-garcia-the-complete-1985-interview/ (complete Jas Obrecht interview for Frets; excerpt was used on guitar.com) - dead link 

6/14/85 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCwXK6NfcZM (Audio - 20th-anniversary Grateful Dead press conference in Berkeley)

Sep ’85 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Garcia.1985.by.Paul.Krasner (by Paul Krassner, for Realist; different edit than '84 radio excerpt above)

10/14/86 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JOhtcJCjXA (by Steven Marcus)
also here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdpTSBbo3Vc

’87 (video) - NBC News On Stage, Jerry Garcia Speaks, vol. 1 - used to be on hulu.com/watch/11363/nbc-news-on-stage-grateful-dead-jerry-garcia-speaks-vol-1 as well as sidereel.com video, Amazon instant video, etc., but no longer available for streaming

'87 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tamQ9Uj1Hk (video for Rolling Stone 20th-anniversary TV special) - dead link

’87 - http://blogcritics.org/music/article/interview-jerry-garcia-on-the-making/ (by Justin Kreutzmann, about the Touch of Grey video) - dead link

'87 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S819x9yRJfY (Audio - Grateful Dead "In the Dark" promo interview)

April ’87 - http://edcone.typepad.com/wordup/2003/01/a_conversation_.html (audio - brief)

10/31/87 - https://www.wolfgangs.com/music/jerry-garcia-and-bill-graham/audio/30455-66989.html?tid=50004 (audio)

11/12/87 - http://www.yoyow.com/marye/garcia.html (by Mary Eisenhart, for BAM – full transcript)

12/87 - https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/jerry-garcia-discusses-his-gear-near-fatal-illness-and-new-grateful-dead-album-dark (for Guitar World) 

12/31/87 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDPVxYesve8 ("Garcia's backstage kitchen" comedy bit w/ Tom Davis)
also here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMZnjWONmUs

'88 - http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/05/17/jerry-garcia-opens-up-about-life-in-long-lost-1988-interview-tapes/ (by Kate Kelly, for KPIX TV)
full interview at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_8Shnqc5_0 
see also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcT3Az70oqs (only brief excerpts)

5/23/88 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyC0oEjfhH8 (Audio excerpt on the acid tests - by Joe Smith -  partial interview was printed in Off The Record)

9/13/88 - http://hightimes.com/entertainment/ht_admin/609 (by Legs McNeil for High Times, on rainforests) - dead link

7/3/89 -
http://www.relix.com/articles/detail/q-a-with-jerry-garcia-portrait-of-an-artist-as-a-tripper (by Jeremy Alderson, for Relix)

Oct ‘89 -
http://www.relix.com/articles/detail/built-to-last-a-conversation-with-jerry-garcia (by Steve Peters, for Relix)

10/13/89 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1qnkJO4hCI (video)

10/16/89 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7TzOtos1Zw (radio call-in questions)

11/20/89 - https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/4q77fr33m?locale=en (Audio - "Timothy White's Rock Stars" radio interview with Garcia & Bob Weir) 
https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/h128nd71m?locale=en (part 2)

11/30/89 - http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-rolling-stone-interview-jerry-garcia-19891130 (by Fred Goodman, for Rolling Stone)
Also at: 
http://www.dead.net/features/jerry-garcia-rolling-stone-interview-page-2
http://www.dead.net/features/jerry-garcia-rolling-stone-interview-page-3
http://www.dead.net/features/jerry-garcia-rolling-stone-interview-page-4

May '90 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_lSnwBddzg (in Hawaii, on a boat) - dead link
Part of this video is a different Hawaii boat interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q38_r-DorSA

5/10/90 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ3wbJ2Mfsw (audio - Honolulu hotel interview by Ben DiPietro)

5/19/90 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eHi48I2gPc (audio - Hawaii hotel interview)

6/27/90 - https://medium.com/@hrheingold/june-27-1990-interview-with-jerry-garcia-c63ddb4178d1 (by Howard Rheingold - with Bear) 

Oct '90? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6rNO0i2gxE (GD press conference)

2/27/91 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMiqDiSU8xY (Headliners TV) - This has been taken down.

3/1/91 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Garcia-Costello-Musician-03011991 (w/ Elvis Costello, for Musician)

4/16/91 - https://medium.com/@hrheingold/interview-with-jerry-garcia-bob-weir-april-16-1991-dff48d26f0af (with Bob Weir, by Howard Rheingold, for Interview magazine)

6/27/91 - http://brigidmeier.com/jg-interview/ (by Brigid Meier - excerpt later printed in spring 1992 Tricycle magazine) - the site is now gone!

9/9/91 - http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/09/arts/grateful-dead-alive-and-thriving.html (by Peter Watrous, for the NY Times)

9/13/91 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Jerry-Garcia-09.13.91 (by Scott Muni)
(Same as ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/jerry-interview-fall1991 and ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/garcia91 )

10/31/91 - http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jerry-garcia-the-rolling-stone-interview-19911031 (by James Henke, for Rolling Stone) 

spring ’92 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/garcia-Tricycle-Buddhist-Review (by Barbara Meier, for Tricycle)

May '93 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBuBKctZ0xE  (backstage in Las Vegas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5af3P8gOOQo (part 2)
also here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AmK5wsQ-4A 

May '93 - http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-06-10/features/9306100421_1_polite-fall-tour-band (by Greg Kot, for the Chicago Tribune) 

5/20/93 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Guitar-Player-1993 (w/ Bob Weir - by Jon Sievert, for Guitar Player)

9/2/93 - http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-rolling-stone-interview-jerry-garcia-19930902 (by Anthony Decurtis, for Rolling Stone)

’93 - ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/New-Yorker-article (10/11/93 New Yorker retrospective, by Bill Barich)

Jan ’94 – http://www.lycaeum.org/~maverick/garcia.htm (for Magical Blend)
(Different edits of this interview also available at ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/jerry-interview-Magic-Blend and
http://malfalfa1.tripod.com/garciainterview.htm and
ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/GarciaInterview-byDavidJayBrown-RebeccaMcClenNovick )

3/31/94 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM64QhtDWGo (short interview on art)

5/2/94 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkkbJ_KI2Y (History of Rock & Roll unedited interview) 

There used to be a shorter two-part copy on youtube, but it's gone now -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlLz5PBwUQc - this is part 2.

'94 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdfpzVaVSek (phone interview about comic-book artist Will Elder)

'95 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeW-kdQ46ys (Jerry talks about Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein)
also here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qVIKJuSZbI 

4/28/95 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APJNMkfiys (Garcia's last interview) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo2E_n27WjQ (excerpt from above - a brief reminiscence about the old Palo Alto days) - Now gone!

ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Jerry-on-Lord-Buckley.02dec1995

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf28wgj5RbQ (a brief clip of Jerry talking about playing on Merl Saunders' Blues From the Rain Forest) - This has been taken down.
I think this is the same one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77V2KaDofzA (don't know what interview it's from)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utNwlr1Bxc8 (brief audio on 1970 drug bust; don't know what interview it's from)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hwnI8haOeA (on the trip to Egypt; haven't placed interview) 

Various - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxn66PN74aE (Audio - "Got Some Things To Talk About" compilation) - dead link, but see 1976 link above.

compilation of excerpts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxYXOWQ8tQ 

'80s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcV2ljT3xiQ (Don Fass "Reaching Up Radio" show, part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfrZsbGXTCg (part 2)

Nov ’91 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaT5FO-qkvU (some interesting Garcia comments used in this CNN news report from Aug '95)

https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/2z10wq22z?locale=en (Audio - 1999 "American Routes" radio program, has excerpts from a July '89 Smithsonian interview by Nick Spitzer)
https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/cj82k731z?locale=en (part 2) 
Also at: http://americanroutes.wwno.org/archives/show/397/Jerry-Garcia

Some other short TV bits: 
11/6/79 Philadelphia TV show (with Weir) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPRxHU9Zr0g 
https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/zp38wc63s?locale=en 
c.1980 Good Morning America -
https://digitalcollections.library.ucsc.edu/concern/works/1v53jw986?locale=en
10/29/80 Good Morning America (with Weir) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2pBgYBI30s
1982 Don Bleu's Weekend (talking about Run for the Roses) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4rBNNL8DQw 
4/13/82 Letterman TV show w/ Weir -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ss-i2VgcPw
also at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4skH27r5dLc  

9/5/82 ABC Nightline w/ Sting - 

9/17/87 Letterman TV show w/ Weir -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTut68r_Q-E
9/15/88 Good Morning America (talking about rain forests) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1wgpeaSSM
10/10/89 ABC Studios, interviewer Kurt Loder (with Weir, on the growing audience at recent tours) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J2ISeLQ7fw
October '89 Today Show (with Weir, a similar interview) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kq2VpRfl0U
And Garcia with Grace Slick & Bill Graham on a San Francisco TV show in 1984, interviewer Bill Kurtis (talking about changes in the music scene since the '60s) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mc05osNEdo

November 25, 2010

The Very Short Tale of Golden Road

When the Grateful Dead went home from the LA studios in February ’67, they probably thought they were finished recording – after all, they’d recorded more than enough songs for an album. But Warner Bros wanted a single, and asked for another song: as Garcia reported, “After we recorded the album they said, ‘We still haven’t got anything here that’d be a strong single,’ so we said, ‘Ah, a strong single, sure!’ So we went home and wrote a song.”
They decided to write a song about the Haight hippie scene. The title came to them from Sue Swanson – she was their first fan, having watched over them ever since the first Warlocks rehearsals at Dana Morgan’s store in ’65. (She’d been Weir’s friend, and immediately became so enthusiastic about them, she insisted on going to every Warlocks rehearsal and even playing the 45s they learned songs from. “My job was to change the 45s. ‘Play that part again!’ It was a crummy little phonograph that would sit on the counter. I’ll never forget the sound of them practicing in there, and all the cymbals and everything in the whole room would be…making all this noise.”)
She’d been their constant companion since then. With the Dead’s first album now finally being released, Sue decided it was time to organize a fan club, and called it The Golden Road to Unlimited Devotion. She, Connie Bonner, and Bob Matthews put out the Dead’s first fan newsletter that April, the Olompali Sunday Times. (The first two issues can be seen here: http://www.dead.net/tags/fan-club - they’re short, and well worth the read.)

The Dead recorded the song at Coast Recorders in San Francisco later in February, rather than going back to LA. They were able to take more time with this song, recording lots of takes, so it’s more layered with overdubs than the other songs on the album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YoZCo8dvU - the alternate single mix, with more studio effects than the cleaner album mix.

Lyrically, it’s something of an attempt to capture the Haight scene in a bottle, inviting everyone to “come and join the party every day.” (Ironically, the second fan-club newsletter from May describes the Haight being swamped with tourists, staring at the hippies!)
Garcia said, “The Golden Road was our effort at nailing down some of that feeling, I guess. That was sort of our group writing experience before Hunter was with us. We kept it simple. But what can you say? ‘We took a bunch of acid and had a lot of fun?’”

The band credited Golden Road on the album to McGannahan Skjellyfetti – a mythical character, based on a name in Kenneth Patchen’s book Memoirs of a Shy Pornographer. (My guess is Pigpen was the Patchen fan, since he was into beat poetry.)
As it turned out, Skjellyfetti would have a brief writing career, getting credits for Golden Road, Cold Rain & Snow, New Minglewood Blues, and “Feedback” on Live/Dead, before fading away. (On more recent CD issues, he’s disappeared altogether under the stern frowns of music publishers.)

We only have two live Golden Roads.
3/18/67 - http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-03-18.sbd.sacks.1594.shnf (the other, better Archive file is currently not streaming)
‘5/5/67’ - http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-05-05.sbs.yerys.1595.sbeok.shnf (segues into New Potato Caboose)
It’s unusual among the Dead’s live songs – they do it exactly like the studio version (even the guitar solo’s unchanged) - and clocking in at two minutes, it must be the shortest live song they ever did. (Which may be one reason they moved on and left it behind – in ’67, the Dead didn’t stand still for long. Ironically, this summer-of-love song was already history by the summer of love.)
Those who wonder why the Dead dropped it so quickly should also remember that all the Dead’s early pre-Hunter songs followed that pattern. Garcia was never too happy with his lyrics (“I felt my lyric writing was woefully inadequate”), and the band was eager to abandon their early compositions. (They were primarily a covers band at the time, and wrote very few of their own songs in any case.) Almost none of their 1966 songs made it into ’67 except for Cream Puff War (that we know of…for all we know, they may well have played Alice D Millionaire or Tastebud live in ’67). And by the time Hunter started writing lyrics for them, pretty much all their older original songs were dropped.

Though they likely played Golden Road quite often in early ’67, it probably didn't last in their sets past the summer/fall.
Some inaccurate setlist sites report more specific performances of Golden Road. Deadbase.com, for instance, shows the mysterious 6/15/67 Straight Theater show with the setlist borrowed from ‘5/5/67’. Setlists.net has at least finally omitted their hoax listing of 12/18/65 Big Beat Club (which also used the same setlist).
For the 4/12/67 Mime Troupe benefit at the Fillmore, Golden Road is the only song listed, and is said to have opened the set. The Dead may well have played it.
6/8/67 Cafe au Go Go has a very nice-looking setlist which includes Cream Puff, Cryptical, New Potato, Born Cross-Eyed, and Alligator>Caution. Clearly a fake! (The available setlist for 6/6/67, though probably also fake and suspiciously Pigpen-heavy, does at least show what a full mid-’67 set would have looked like, and is also partly confirmed by Phil Lesh’s description of a Café au Go Go set in his book: “Pig’s blues and R&B, arrangements of traditional songs, a Dylan song,” and Alligator…though ironically, he may have just looked up this setlist!)

Back in the real world, there is also a video of Golden Road from a '60s British TV show called Whicker's World. This was “a weekly UK news journal show that ventured to San Francisco to report on the hippie generation. The Grateful Dead were featured getting stoned in their Haight Ashbury pad, as well as performing The Golden Road.” (The filming took place in March ’67, and is actually mentioned with some excitement in the first fan-club newsletter.)
I can’t find a good link to this clip, so I’ll offer this description from deadlists: “The video portion is intense to watch. Strobe lights are flashing and the camera zooms in and out very fast on the band members… There is a lot of footage of people dancing (and the guy doing the oil-based light show).”
The British narrator announces the clip: “An assault on the senses, an LSD trip without drugs. Flashing strobe lights, spermatazoic color.”
Sad to say, the Golden Road is not live, but dubbed from the album.

The band did at least mention Golden Road onstage again, a few years later. On 6/7/70, the fourth night of a Fillmore West run, the Dead were taking a little break onstage after Sitting on Top of the World.
Garcia explained, “We’re waiting around until a good idea comes up.” Of course, the audience offered a few ideas of their own. (Earlier in the show, the band had jokingly aborted Louie Louie as Weir exclaimed, “Hey man, none of us knows that song!”)
Now Weir spoke up again: “Hey, there’s a guy over there, and he’s always over there, and he always yells out ‘Golden Road.’ And I want to know who he is, man, because you take the cake. I mean, actually, quite truthfully, we’ve forgotten that song, we’ve forgotten how to play it.”

November 24, 2010

The Zodiacs

Sometime in early 1965, the Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Band, with gigs drying up and rock bands sprouting all around them, decided to take the plunge and go electric. For years, Garcia had floated around in various bluegrass bands, playing at folk clubs like the Tangent in Palo Alto, where electric guitars were a forbidden, despised instrument.
But the Warlocks were not taking a total step into the dark – for Garcia, Pigpen, and Kreutzmann had played in a blues-rock band back in 1963.

Bob Weir: "Garcia had done a few electric gigs with Pig in a band called the Zodiacs before I'd ever known them, and so they had a little experience with R&B."
Sara Garcia: “For money, Jerry had played in a rock & roll band with Troy Weidenheimer. They played fraternity parties. What they had to put up with was awful.”

In fact, Garcia’s rock & roll connection went back even farther than that. Several of Garcia’s friends said that he’d played the brief solo in Bobby Freeman’s Do You Wanna Dance back in 1958, when he was 15:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-CzCDIiylE
Sara Garcia, David Nelson, Rock Scully, and Phil Lesh all independently claim that Garcia played guitar on this single - presumably he told them so. It’s rather mysterious how it could have happened; there’s some more discussion here:
http://www.whitegum.com/introjs.htm?/songfile/DO1YOUWA.HTM
(Other Dead researchers have firmly refuted this story in the comments. But it appears Garcia did do some session work for Bobby Freeman when he was on Autumn Records, around '65 or so. Garcia later said, "I did some various sessions around San Francisco; demos and stuff like that.")

In 1959, Garcia was briefly in a band called the Chords, ‘featuring the Golden Saxes,’ a group mainly featuring ‘40s big-band tunes like Misty. As Garcia said, “kind of easy-listening stuff. Businessman’s bounce, high school version.” They mostly played for fellow high-school audiences – sometimes they’d play a rock song such as Raunchy, one of the first big instrumental rock hits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnbSEm8Pnxk
Garcia remembered, "We had a five-piece combo - a piano, two saxes, a bass, and my guitar. We won a contest and got to record a song. We did Raunchy, but it didn't turn out very well."
But it wasn’t long before Garcia discovered folk music and left rock & roll behind.

By 1963, Garcia was playing in as many bluegrass bands as he could put together. As one friend noted, “He loved to play, and it didn’t take much encouragement or much of an occasion to get him to throw a ‘band’ together. For sidemen he would use whoever was handy to fill out his band, oftentimes naming the band on the way to the gig.”
Trouble was, there wasn’t much money in it, and there weren’t that many bluegrass players around. As Garcia said, “Bluegrass bands are hard to put together because you have to have good bluegrass musicians to play, and in Palo Alto there wasn’t really very many of them – not enough to keep a band going all the time.” So on the side, Garcia also played in a rock band with his friend Pigpen (who was not such a folkie purist, and was happy to accompany anyone who’d play the blues).

http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/11/swains-music-store-palo-alto-ca.html quotes this article:
“Towards the end of 1962 [Pigpen] got a part-time job at Swain's Music Store in Palo Alto, and it was there more than anywhere else that the Grateful Dead seed began to grow.... Swain's Music Store, where Pigpen was working, was run by a guy named Troy Weidenheimer who had ideas about forming his own rock'n'roll band. He of course knew Pigpen, Pigpen knew Garcia, Garcia knew Kreutzmann, and so…a short-lived band called the Zodiacs was formed. Troy played lead guitar, Pigpen was on harp. They used a wide selection of drummers but most of the time it was Bill Kreutzmann, and Garcia would sometimes join in on bass guitar when he wasn't involved with his own bluegrass groups.”

Blair Jackson:
“Occasionally, Jerry picked up a bass and Pigpen sang with a local group called the Zodiacs, which played frat parties and other dances on the Peninsula, churning out the radio hits of the day, along with hipper R&B selections. The group was fronted by a guitarist named Troy Weidenheimer, who could play Freddie King lyrics like the master himself….”

According to Dennis McNally, Troy was the manager at Dana Morgan’s Music Store, where Garcia was giving guitar & banjo lessons. Regardless of which music store Troy was at, he was also a music teacher, and he and Garcia were already acquaintances.
They had met back in ’61 at the Boar’s Head folk club in San Carlos - Garcia would play folk songs there; Troy would play Ventures or Jimmy Reed songs on electric guitar; and Pigpen would play solo blues on guitar & harmonica. (David Nelson and Robert Hunter would also play there.) So when Troy wanted to form a band, he didn’t have to cast far for fellow members.

http://jerrywrite.blogspot.com/ is an interesting essay by Norm van Maastricht, a friend of Garcia’s in the early Tangent bluegrass days, which talks a lot about Garcia at that time, and his love of practicing banjo and playing loud instruments. “Hunter, Nelson, Garcia and I hung out together a lot. We would pool our money and [rotate coffeeshops] and nurse cups of coffee for hours… We talked about getting gigs and maybe getting famous one day. ‘Fame! Cookies! Comic books!’ as Garcia would say…”
“Jerry would let me know when a Playing Opportunity was coming up [and] we four would load us and our instruments into that old car and go anywhere we could play… We played a lot of little gigs, usually at no pay. Sometimes it would just be a house party. Sometimes a coffeehouse in San Francisco… We’d just pile in the car, get there, set up and play, get in the car and go home… You just played as much as you could. Sometimes they even fed you. They seldom paid you.”
“Troy Weidenheimer taught guitar over at Swain’s House of Music in Palo Alto. He would get together with us from time to time… Troy was an excellent guitarist. He played and taught electric jazz and rock. He would laughingly refer to our [folk] music as ‘hamburger music’, but he would come by and jam all the same.”
Dark rumours circulated that Garcia was “secretly fooling around with an electric group,” playing blues and rock, definitely a no-no among the Tangent crowd…

McNally: “Troy had a band called the Zodiacs, and that summer [‘63] he invited Garcia to join it – as the bass player. It was great fun, Jerry would say, despite the fact that it was ‘out of my idiom’…. The band also included a young local drummer named Bill Kreutzmann, and Jerry’s old friend Ron McKernan on harmonica.”

McNally also reports that Troy attemped to teach Bob Weir guitar circa ‘63/64, “but Troy taught a straight-ahead big-band style, and it did not appeal to Weir.” (So Weir gravitated to Jorma Kaukonen for guidance instead.)

Eric Thompson (one of Garcia’s bluegrass bandmates):
“While Jerry was teaching folk guitar, Troy was teaching electric guitar; he was known around town. Troy had an R&B band that played Stanford frat parties, and Jerry sometimes played bass in it, and Pigpen was the singer. Troy could not only play exactly like Freddy King, he could move like Freddy King, too. During that period, Freddy had his blues song hits in the chitlin’ circuit and his instrumental hits in the frat circuit, and he was playing both kinds of gigs. So that was part of the Troy niche, those instrumental hits Freddy King had – Hideaway, San Hozay, The Stumble…it was like surf guitar in a way, instrumental music that you could dance to. When Jerry got interested in the electric guitar again, he devoured the Freddy King stuff, but he’d already been watching Troy do it, so he already knew a lot about it.”

(I don’t know much about what the Zodiacs played other than Freddy King covers, but the music clearly had a big impact on Garcia. This article talks about Hideaway’s later appearances in Grateful Dead shows:
http://www.thebestofwebsite.com/Bands/Grateful_Dead/Misc/Hideaway.htm
Probably the closest we get in early Dead shows to the atmosphere of a Zodiacs set are things like Heads Up & the blues instrumental from 3/19/66, or the instrumental on 3/25/66.)

Pigpen remembered in 1970:
"I was in a band with Troy Weidenheimer called the Zodiacs. The Zodiacs were playing beer-drinkin' fraternity parties at Stanford, and Troy played lead, his old lady Sherry played rhythm, Garcia would occasionally sit in on Fender bass, Roy Ogburn would play bass and drum, and I'd sing and play harmonica. The Zodiacs played really wet gigs, man...they'd rent the men's dressing room and we'd play in there with the showers and benches...weird frat-house parties and stuff... Troy got the gigs; he was the leader. Each of us would make 20 bucks per gig. But it ain't worth having to contend with 200 football players...they thought we were strange, long-haired freaks. [We'd play] Searchin', Walkin' the Dog, Sensation, San-Ho-Zay, some Jimmy Reed tunes. We played Gert Chiarito's Midnight Special show on KPFA. Me and Jerry did one, too. I played harmonica and Jerry played guitar."

Garcia was already familiar with Pigpen from the folk clubs, but said: "As early as when we were playing in the Zodiacs together, I discovered that Pigpen was not a guy who wanted to be a performer. I had to practically force him to perform. He'd always be out in the parking lot or somewhere when we were supposed to go onstage."

Garcia later spoke at length about Troy Weidenheimer’s influence on him:
“Troy taught me the principle of ‘hey – stomp your foot and get on it.’ He was a great one for the instant arrangement…fearless for that thing of ‘get your friends and do it,’ and ‘fuck it if it ain’t slick, it’s supposed to be fun.’ He had a wide-open style of playing that was very, very loose; like when we went to play gigs at the Stanford parties, we didn’t have songs or anything, and he would just say ‘play B-flat,’ you know, and I’d play bass, and we’d just play along and he’d jam over the top of it; so a lot of my conceptions of the freedom available to your playing really came from him. He would take chorus after chorus, but he directed the band right in the now… We never rehearsed or anything ever, we would just go to the shows and play – and he was so loose about it, he didn’t care, he just wanted it cookin’ so he could play his solos; and he was just a wonderful, inventive, and fun, good-humored guitar player. One of the first guys I ever heard who exhibited a real sense of humor on the guitar. He was quite accomplished. I mean, in those days he was certainly the hot-rod guitar player of Palo Alto, as far as electric guitar was concerned. While I was a folkie and all that…”

Troy Weidenheimer says,
"My band the Zodiacs was active for about 4 years and began with 4 friends at Menlo College in Menlo Park, Ca. It was always a blues band. The Zodiacs is where Pigpen worked out his harp playing and blues singing.
My regular bassist was a jazz player on Fender bass and my preferred drummer was a very young jazz drummer. Kreutzmann was a stand in when the jazz drummer was unavailable. We often had a jazz sax player also. In the later years we usually played with an RnB quartet from East Palo Alto called the Outer Limits. So we billed the band "The Zodiacs and the Outer Limits".
There were opportunities for me to play in Jerry's bluegrass or electric groups but I was pretty put off by the drug and acid trips that were becoming part of that scene in San Francisco, and I was really only interested in a blues/jazz style of music, whereas Jerry's first bands tended to sound a lot like folk-rock groups.
By the way my wife Sharon Huddleston was key to that band. She was a great rhythm guitarist and good blues singer. I met her at the same time I met Jerry and a group of folkies who hung out together around Palo Alto. She was only about 16 but a very solid natural musican and singer. She had been mainly playing folk stuff and acoustic blues from the 30's before meeting me. We got married within a year or so and she bought a Gibson electric and started playing rhythm in my band. Whenever Jerry played with us it was always on bass, but at casual jams at parties we would both be on acoustic guitars or often Jerry on banjo. At most of the parties there would be an acoustic jam going in one room and a jazz/blues jam usually with a drummer in another room. In those days I was almost always in the jazz jam on electric, and Jerry would be in the acoustic folk/bluegrass jam."

I don’t know how long Garcia played with the Zodiacs – or if he was even in the band at the same time Kreutzmann was. Garcia later fuzzily remembered, “I may have played a gig with him once when I was playing electric bass in a rock & roll band on weekends.” (Garcia had, coincidentally, met Kreutzmann sometime earlier, when he bought a banjo Kreutzmann’s father was selling.)
But soon Garcia retreated back to the folkie world, making a bluegrass trip east in ‘64. By the end of ’64, though, he’d become dissatisfied with the opportunities in bluegrass, and the call of rock music started to sound more appealing. “In the area I was in, there were virtually no bluegrass musicians: very few, certainly nobody very good… I wanted to have a great bluegrass band, but I only got occasional chances to put a bluegrass band together that was (by my standards) even acceptable. Although I had fun, none of them was serious or a very good attempt.”
In the meantime, “I decided to put together a jug band, because you could have a jug band with guys that could hardly play at all.”

Blair Jackson says that the Zodiacs kept playing concurrently with Mother McCree’s jugband in ’64, but I'd guess Garcia was out of the band by then. Bill Kreutzmann, meanwhile, became the drummer in another popular R&B band called the Legends. Mike Shapiro (of the band William Penn & His Pals) claimed that Troy was also a guitarist in the Legends, but that wasn't so. (Shapiro also reports, "We were actually in a Battle of the Bands with the Grateful Dead. They won and I never really could figure that out because they were really bad back then." This was in '65 with the Warlocks, at the Cinnamon Tree in San Carlos.)

McNally describes the Legends: “Fronted by a black vocalist named Jay Price, the Legends…covered James Brown, Junior Parker, Freddie King, the Isley Brothers’ Shout, and Ray Charles’ What’d I Say. They wore red coats, black ties, and black pants, and played YMCA dances, fraternity parties, and shows at the local navy airstrip…” Kreutzmann later said, “It wasn’t too soulful,” but one Palo Alto high-schooler remembered, “They were the best band at the school…they were great…they made the kids dance like they weren’t supposed to…”

Meanwhile, Mother McCree’s was going through an identity crisis.
Garcia said, “We played any place that would hire a jug band, which was almost no place, and that’s the whole reason we finally got into electric stuff.” He also wanted to have “big fun… I was up for the idea of breaking out. You know: ‘give me that electric guitar – fuckin’ A!’ … For me, playing the electric guitar represented freedom from the tremendous control trip [of banjo playing.] What I wanted to do more than anything else was not be in control nearly so much. And playing the electric guitar freed me!… It was much easier putting together a rock & roll band than having a bluegrass band.”
Lesh: “Some say it was Garcia’s idea to turn Mother McCree’s into an electric blues band, but Garcia told me it was Pigpen’s idea. At first he wanted to electrify the jug band, but then changed his mind, saying, ‘No, let’s get a drummer and make it a blues band.’”
Garcia: “[The electric band] was Pigpen's idea. He'd been pestering me for a while, he wanted me to start up an electric blues band....because in the jug band we used to do blues numbers like Jimmy Reed tunes and even played a couple of rock & roll tunes, and it was just the next step.... Theoretically it's a blues band, but the minute we get electric instruments it's a rock & roll band....”
They didn’t have to look far for a drummer, or for instruments, as the entire band was working in Dana Morgan’s Music Store - Garcia and Weir both taught guitar there, Kreutzmann was a drum teacher there, the bass player was the owner’s son Dana Morgan Jr, and (according to McNally) Pigpen was the janitor. Three of them had already been Zodiacs, and one was even a Legend, so they had some rock experience. So becoming an electric band was as simple as borrowing some instruments from the store… (Garcia’s folkie banjo students who dropped by Morgan’s were shocked and saddened to see that he had succumbed to the electric demon!)
But as John Dawson said, “Dana had all the stuff to play on, so they let him be the bass player. But he couldn’t play bass for shit, man.” So Dana was fired – unfortunately, that meant the band was kicked out of Morgan’s music store, and had to return their instruments. (Dana Morgan Sr said, “I just hated the noise they were making… They kept sneaking back in. Finally I got so tired of them I sold the instruments.”) Undaunted, the band simply moved to other stores, borrowing instruments from Guitars Unlimited and Swain’s House of Music (and buying what they could, with the help of their parents). As for a bass player? Garcia had played bass in a rock band himself, despite never playing bass before, so he had no hesitation in asking another non-bass player to join…

And what of Troy Weidenheimer, guitarist for the first embryonic pre-Dead band? He later moved to Vancouver, Canada, where he opened his own music store, Troy Music. Though their doors closed long ago, he still teaches music:
http://www.rakun.com/music/
He says, "I am still playing and teaching. Fortunately I've not had any physical problems so at age 69 am playing better guitar than ever, and in the last 7 years have learned mandolin, fiddle and keyboard which helps keep music fresh for me. We now live in the woods near Charlottesville, Virginia."
He was recently in an acoustic trio called the Elsah String Band, which you can see in a video here:
http://www.meramec.org/lotm/archives/2007/09/at_the_focal_po.html

The Zodiacs were a brief musical episode that remains a mysterious little early side-trip in the Dead's story. But any additional information is welcome!